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Is anglo-freemasonry on the endangered list?

Bro. Vincent

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I don't know anything about the Moors but what you're saying is reminding me a lot of "The Hiram Key", I don't know if you've read it or not.

I'm not sure how I feel about all of it myself. There's no doubt that our civilization is heavily influenced from Greece/Rome...who likely were inspired by Egypt, who were in turn inspired by Sumaria...at least not in my mind...I'm just not sure at which point we can find the roots of our fraternity.

Funny you should ask.. I actually just started reading the Hiram Key. Seems to be an interesting piece of work so far.


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widows son

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"I don't know anything about the Moors but what you're saying is reminding me a lot of "The Hiram Key", I don't know if you've read it or not.

I'm not sure how I feel about all of it myself. There's no doubt that our civilization is heavily influenced from Greece/Rome...who likely were inspired by Egypt, who were in turn inspired by Sumaria...at least not in my mind...I'm just not sure at which point we can find the roots of our fraternity."

- I agree brother. I've read the book three times. The authors do provide quite a bit of factual info, but I don't agree with their conclusions in that book. I have their entire series, I'd say Uriel's Machine is second to the Book of Hiram.
The only thing I don't like is that they seem to try and say the book of Hiram can be used as a biblical guide or something to that effect. JM2C
 

alaric357

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I have the book the Hiram key as well it's a great book with a lot of information, and interesting facts I received it from a brother Mason from Peru

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anthonywilson

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I'm going to attempt to swing this discussion back to the starting point. There are a lot of "problems" and solutions but it seems that no one wants to try to sort out the former with the latter. One thng I've noticed is that Lodges (and the members) need to figure out what type of Lodge they want to be. For example, 1) Craft Lodge that stresses work and gorwing the knowledge of its members with some community outreach, 2) Lions Club with some memory work, or 3) a merge of both. I'd say that my Lodge is #3 with leanings towards #2. We stress work but I think we stress the community outreach a bit too much and it tends to overshadow some of the reasons why some Brothers joined (myself included). Outreach is important (awards, scholarships, trash pickup, thanksgiving baskets, inviting folks to the important banquets) but some of it, in my opinion, fails to achieve the goals that were sat in place. As one brother said: "It is hard to pay dues when people are asking for $10-$20 everytime you turn around." Anyway, it might be a good idea for a suggestion box to be sat out with a questionnaire and the Officers review the comments to figure out a way to help swing the Lodge towards the future; the Grand Lodge could also hold an online survey for the same reasons.
 

Bro_Vick

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I'm going to attempt to swing this discussion back to the starting point. There are a lot of "problems" and solutions but it seems that no one wants to try to sort out the former with the latter. One thng I've noticed is that Lodges (and the members) need to figure out what type of Lodge they want to be. For example, 1) Craft Lodge that stresses work and gorwing the knowledge of its members with some community outreach, 2) Lions Club with some memory work, or 3) a merge of both. I'd say that my Lodge is #3 with leanings towards #2. We stress work but I think we stress the community outreach a bit too much and it tends to overshadow some of the reasons why some Brothers joined (myself included). Outreach is important (awards, scholarships, trash pickup, thanksgiving baskets, inviting folks to the important banquets) but some of it, in my opinion, fails to achieve the goals that were sat in place. As one brother said: "It is hard to pay dues when people are asking for $10-$20 everytime you turn around." Anyway, it might be a good idea for a suggestion box to be sat out with a questionnaire and the Officers review the comments to figure out a way to help swing the Lodge towards the future; the Grand Lodge could also hold an online survey for the same reasons.


When I took over Chapter and Council, I sent out a survey to all the members trying to gauge what they wanted, out of about 70 members I got 3 to respond. I am not a fan of the survey's they are difficult to energize the membership to answer. Usually the people that respond are either those who love everything you are doing or are completely against you or someone in your officer's line-up, or mad at the lodge about something that happened 20 years ago.

I agree we should get feedback from the lodge, but a lot of time that feedback of what they want fixed, there is nothing you can do.

S&F,
-Bro Vick
 

JJones

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When I took over Chapter and Council, I sent out a survey to all the members trying to gauge what they wanted, out of about 70 members I got 3 to respond. I am not a fan of the survey's they are difficult to energize the membership to answer. Usually the people that respond are either those who love everything you are doing or are completely against you or someone in your officer's line-up, or mad at the lodge about something that happened 20 years ago.

I agree we should get feedback from the lodge, but a lot of time that feedback of what they want fixed, there is nothing you can do.

S&F,
-Bro Vick

Funny, I did the same thing with Blue Lodge and got 3 out of 80. It's hard to get any kind of useful info out of such a small response though. :(
 
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