Hermeticism in early Freemasonry

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  1. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    >A straight answer for once would be so nice

    Your profile says you are 42. As you may recall from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is the answer to the meaning of life.

    Technically that is not quite true, but according to Jung, it is not until the age of 42 that a human has had the opportunity to develop all of the human qualities and hence be prepared for his/her mission in life. Certainly quite a lot of 42 year olds appear in the news for various reasons.

    Your problem, as far as I can detect from your photo, is that your human system, comprised as it is of many subconscious and superconscious intelligences, has managed to pick up a spirit that is not what it purports to be. This is very common even at further stages of human development.

    >This newly found guidance through silence has put so much noise in my mind.

    Here we have a symptom of interference. Entering into the silence should increase the sense of peace, quieten the mind and make clearer the connection to the Source of All.

    I have sent you a link to an exercise that should bypass improper intelligences.
     
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  6. Bloke

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    What a wonderful statement.. I like it :)
    Hindu is interesting though... how so ?
     
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    Duplicate - site updates so slowly on my computer that edits turn into new posts
     
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  8. JamestheJust

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    >Hindu is interesting though... how so ?

    The veils prior to Holy Royal Arch are planes from the Hindu teaching - with appropriate passwords. Sometimes the veils actually work. I saw the Master of a Veil get physically lost - unable to find the exit from his veil after the ritual even though the rest of the room was clearly visible from his place.

    HRA, in some rituals still uses the Sumerian words (names of the three senior gods) while other rituals have replaced them with Jewish words. Also the circle of the zodiac that revolves around the arch of the heavens has been put into straight lines to allow the officers to be placed according to the Jewish Tree of Life.

    Still, the three Principals retain their Sumerian identities. For example the Second Principal with the all-seeing eye on his wand represents the Sumerian Enlil (Baal/Bul - lord) who had "an uplifted eye that scans all the lands" - a satellite?.

    The name Holy Arch comes from ancient Egypt, a name for An/Ain, "the god of millions of years" who was believed to have come from the Pole Star around which the arch of the heavens rotates. He is also Royal as the Sumerians say that he "lowered kingship to Earth" - he instituted kings to rule on behalf of the gods. Hence An/On (the Most High) is rightly called Holy Royal Arch. He is also rightly called The Heavenly Sovereign, who descended to Earth several times to sort out his warring sons/princes.

    But who would want to know such an ancient history of Freemasonry?
     
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  9. William Beals

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    Ha! Whom indeed! Due to the advice of lodge members i've came to the conclusion that I may not be ready and have removed about 80 masonic books and plenty other close in nature from my computer. Five years.....FIVE YEARS I have tried to read and become a learned mason on my own and Ive only came to the conclusion....."welp, those Mason guys are right, Ill never figure this stuff out without being a mason." Never once have I claimed to be a mason, ive encountered a few fools that I know not to be masons that have claimed such to impress others and oh how it made me think smaller of them. Back to my point Ive kept one book on my computer now for study and it is the KJV and the book of Enoch. Am I to understand that I shouldnt venture any further into the mysteries of the Bible or for me has it became a Masonic FUBU(For Us By Us) book? As I feel that I was once blind, am I now to look away? Working as best as i can with the time i have with the link you share. I can not thank you enough for even speaking to me on these matters.
     
  10. JamestheJust

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    In my view the starting point for understanding ancient history is The Twelfth Planet by Zechariah Sitchin. Of course he does not have it all correct but he made a major step forward and provides the raw material for understanding much of the structure of modern Masonic ritual.

    The book can be found at no cost if you look around the web. The first edition was 1976. Later editions contained updates.

    https://archive.org/details/B-001-000-340/page/n4/mode/2up


    After you have read all his works you can start on Anatoly Fomenko, a Russian mathemetician who maintains that European history is largely incorrect, written to support various organizations. For example he demonstrates that the dark ages never existed, being a defect in the chronology.

    Here is the first of 7 large volumes of evidence:

    http://chronologia.org/en/seven/chronology1.html
     
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  11. William Beals

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    I actually downloaded Sitchin's collection minus 2 of the books. I think I got them from my Academia.edu account or from Yale's online library (after watching one of his lectures on youtube( ) .....well ya know, I never got around to reading them, as my collection was beginning to overwhelm me with answers that I felt I was not ready for. I've never been one for mathematics and have never even attempted geometry until I came across Euclid's 47th and my friend when I tell you there was no help for me when it comes to math, I assure you the very last word that I wanted to say was eureka! My lastest grab by the horns was "The Golden Ass" I came across it during what I believe was a Masonic lecture. It was linked to me through a conversation I was having with someone who I believed to be a lodge member. Oh and the explanations and the way he(the lecturer) explained what was the million eyes of sorts(not remembering and wish I could find that video to finish it but eh, what ya gonna do right?) was some of the most captivating words that I have ever heard and if I hadn't been up all day and night reading Things that I shouldn't have been then I might had been able to finish the video! I am not a very well learned man and with a 9th grade education, I would say that I've came a long way. Freemasonry and it's history has been the only passion I've found since high school and if they would have taught it faithfully in school, I probably would have been valedictorian. I will poke around a bit into Sichin and take into account what I can. Thank you again for the other link to Fomenko. Oh and i just check and i still had this bookmarked http://93.174.95.27/search.php?req=...open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
     
  12. William Beals

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    I just found it, and of course it was not an masonic lecture....wishful thinking right?
     
  13. Mike Martin

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    I'm no expert but it didn't take me long to find the reason why "Hermes the Philosopher" predates "Hermeticism".

    Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes

    "Beginning around the turn of the 1st century AD, a process began by which, in certain traditions, Hermes became euhemerised – that is, interpreted as a historical, mortal figure who had become divine or elevated to godlike status in legend. Numerous books of wisdom and magic (including astrology, theosophy, and alchemy) were attributed to this "historical" Hermes, usually identified in his Alexandrian form of Hermes Trismegistus. As a collection, these works are referred to as the Hermetica.[56]

    Though worship of Hermes had been almost fully suppressed in the Roman Empire following the Christian persecution of paganism under Theodosius I in the 4th century AD, Hermes continued to be recognized as a mystical or prophetic figure, though a mortal one, by Christian scholars. Early medieval Christians such as Augustine believed that a euhemerised Hermes Trismegistus had been an ancient pagan prophet who predicted the emergence of Christianity in his writings.[57][58] Some Christian philosophers in the medieval and Renaissance periods believed in the existence of a "prisca theologia", a single thread of true theology that could be found uniting all religions.[59][60] Christian philosophers used Hermetic writings and other ancient philosophical literature to support their belief in the prisca theologia, arguing that Hermes Trismegistus was a contemporary of Moses,[61] or that he was the third in a line of important prophets after Enoch and Noah.[62][63]

    The 10th century Suda attempted to further Christianize the figure of Hermes, claiming that "He was called Trismegistus on account of his praise of the trinity, saying there is one divine nature in the trinity."[64] " end quote
     
  14. Luigi Visentin

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    The Masonic Hermes has only the attribute "Trimegistus" in common with the Hermes of the esotericism or with hermeticism or whatsoever philosphical and sapiential discipline. It is necessary to explain why he is identified with "Nimrod", but also with the "Great Hermarines", with "Moses" (Briscoe Pamphlet 1724), with "a priest" etc. to understand who he really was. Without this explanation, every discussion about Hermes is surely interesting but has nothing to do with the personage of the Cooke Manuscript and, generally speaking, of the Masonic Legend.
     
  15. JamestheJust

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    It may be of use to note that Hermes, Hercules, Hera, Heru/Horus, Hiram are all heroes. The HR word root seems to mean both high born and from a far place so is not a personal name but a title
     
  16. William Beals

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    I've been patiently waiting to bring this back up.

    1 Oh for a closer walk with God,
    A calm and heavenly frame,

    A light to shine upon the road
    That leads me to the Lamb!
    2 Where is the blessedness I knew,
    When first I saw the Lord?
    Where is the soul-refreshing view
    Of Jesus and His word ?
    3 What peaceful hours I once enjoyed!
    How sweet their memory still !
    But they have left an aching void
    The world can never fill.
    4 Return, O holy Dove! return,
    Sweet messenger of rest
    !
    I hate the sins that made Thee mourn.
    And drove Thee from my breast:
    The dearest idol I have known,
    Whate'er that idol be,
    Help me to tear it from Thy throne,
    And worship only Thee.
    6 So shall my walk be close with God,
    Calm and serene my frame;
    So purer light shall mark the road
    That leads me to the Lamb.

    William Cowper, 1772.

    You know, The hardest part for me to understand is why you said "preferably not translated by religionists"

    Modern Freemasonry contains traces of Egyptian, Sumerian and Hindu mysteries modified by Jewish and Christian custodians. Identifying and learning from those traces requires spiritual practices that develop the inner senses and wide reading of ancient accounts - preferably not translated by religionists.

    "Religionist" meaning?
    Always in my youth a baptist and I had the desire to follow Jesus until I found out that friends were cooler....pfff! Life went to sh*t, and I as of late can recall and count how many time I was spared from my stupidity where I should have left for dead many times over. (that's a conversation for another time.) The word Freemason popped up one day back and it sparked an interest. Why on earth was I pulled towards the lodge so fast, without warning. At the time I had no interest in what God, Jesus or the lodge could do for me, but I was on my way to find out. I immediately stormed the internet and found movies(hahaha), conspiracies, documentaries of folklore and ritual and none quenched the thirst. I had to know what a Freemason was and I would kill over before I would see that thirst unquenched. I would accept nothing but the truth. I did something one day and what I did (censored for obvious reasons) took me and the outcome only made the thirst grow. I began to hunger for the knowledge of the lodge and its members, seemingly harassing lodge members on forums or facebook group pages for knowledge that in my heart I knew they would never offer under any circumstances, ie...H.A.. Yet I finally got the hint and further I went on by myself(Or so I thought). The more I questioned the lodges claim of no religion affiliation the harder it was for me to believe. Book after book, story after story oh how can it not be so. So all about ready to just flat out give it up(The Masonic hunt) then a little birdie gave me an idea. Break the threshold of the lodge a couple more times, just not yet. While it is hard for me to go on lately without that little bird giving me the path to follow(again) I stride with the newest found love of my life. She is beautiful and she loves me. I have no idea(as i can only imagine how much I have wronged her but I will make a mends. At first I assumed that I hadn't enough tears for all of the ways I had sinned, boy was I wrong. I have no idea as of now where this path will lead me but I long to know what you(and the lodge) consider "religionist"(I know the standard definition). For every historical Masonic book I have found is through my understanding religion based. If the opinion is the same then i am that much more confused and desire to attempt further inquiries.

    I welcome all or any comments and apologize in advance if any are offended or if I have ventured past recommended comments(I'm trying my best to be respectful while still champing at the bit).
     
  17. JamestheJust

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    >preferably not translated by religionists

    People with strong belief systems naturally filter out what disagrees with their beliefs. This saves their having to doubt their sacred books.

    I read a commentary on an ancient Egyptian text where the meaning was plain but contrary to translator's beliefs so he added a a note that the ancient writer clearly did not understand what he was writing about. It did not seem to occur to the translator that his beliefs about ancient Egypt might have been incorrect.
     
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  18. William Beals

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    James the Just, I thank you for your explanation. I was totally on end as far as that remark went and was at a loss for explanation. I found early in study that Freemasonry would take you around the block when it comes to translations and understanding and knew early on that there had to be more than my preacher could explain from behind the pulpit . Do I believe that he was honest in giving scripture? Every single word, that he could give.
     

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