How important is recognition?

[widows son]

Look up Rui Gabirro and you'll see why regularity and recognition are important.

 

[THurse]

Under the different bodies, their are differences, but my question is how can you tell who is who? I'am for free and accepted and unity. This is not the past, like Brother widow, has said. This is a difficult task, but could be achieved one day.

 

[widows son]

Well this rui guy blatantly mocks the UGLE so his group obviously not recognized. Most unrecognized GL's have degrees that aren't a part of anything

 

[widows son]

I'm for unity as well but these guys see freemasonry either as a political tool or have taken what it is completely out of context.

 

[tomasball]

how can you tell who is who?

You can tell who is recognized by mainstream freemasonry by looking in the "List of Lodges Masonic" published by Pantograph. Simple as that.

 

[tomasball]

As for unity...the community of mainstream grand lodges is united because they not only all have the same pedigree, but because they all agree on what they consider fundamentals. Other grand lodges, being sovereign, may not care to buy into our system of landmarks...some want to admit women, some want to admit atheists, some don't believe in territorial exclusivity, some haze their candidates. That's their business. Nobody says they have to be part of the mainstream.

 

[widows son]

But they also give us a bad name, which is not ok

 

[Bill Lins]

But they also give us a bad name, which is not ok

True, but there isn't much, besides withholding recognition, that we can do about it.

 

[widows son]

Unfortunately

 

[THurse]

Clandestine, Lodges, that are not real, but if you are apart of a new lodge which is supported by your Grand Lodge, could be looked upon as the same. PHO, is considered to be Ex PHA members, that has opened their own Lodges, I have read that PHO, also means the Original, PHA, members. You can look through the list which is true, but my point is, their is so much finger pointing. How can you really tell who is who? I'am pretty sure that some of you Brothers, may have run across an imposter without knowing it. This destroys the name of Regular legitimate Lodges, that are expanding.

 

[Eagle]

I personally noticed a big difference between PHA and Scottish Rights here in Charlotte. This city is bias to almost everything. PHA masons get looked at like they arent masons by majority of our white lodges here. You can try speaking to a white lodge member here and they might look at you like your crazy. Me personally, I recognize all my brethren no matter the race because we are all the same. As long as you are doing everything correctly, you should be recognized the same. Recognition means alot to me!

 

[widows son]

The thing that makes it difficult is when these lodges follow the same landmarks as we do. The regular grand lodge of England claims to do so. But when you look further they rework out dated discarded degrees, use the craft for political aims, and fabricate lies. So to me it doesn't matter if they choose to follow the landmarks, their conduct and behavior as "masons" is what matters and they are giving the craft a bad name

 

[Ecossais]

Let's just do away with the whole concept of regularity. Then, as soon as we do, I can go online, order a bunch of aprons and regalia, and start selling degrees. I live near a big college campus where there are thousands of college students who would pay several hundred dollars to receive all three degrees in one day. I could do it in the conference room at the Holiday Inn, and then hand out dues cards to everyone before the day is out. I could make myself the Grand Master for life, and I'd be set to start taking in the big bucks. Yeah. Let's do away with regularity.