Not going to JW

[Bloke]

Immediate PM is an actual officer position in ur jurisdiction? Thats interesting! Whats the point?

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IPM is an office here. His job is to advise the WM and step in if he is absent. He also opens and closes the VSL and has some words when closing the lodge.

It is the only office held "by right" and not by election or appointment.

 

[Ripcord22A]

Hmm our SD attends at the alter

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[Bloke]

Hmm our SD attends at the alter

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Our alter is in the East, generally infront or a pace or two from the WM. the IPM sits to the Master's left in the east.

 

[Ripcord22A]

Oh
...here the alter is in the center of the room

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[Bloke]

Oh
...here the alter is in the center of the room

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Thought so

 

[Brother JC]

Another bit of wording in NM is that you have to have been a Warden to be Master. Doesn't specify which one.

 

[Bill Lins]

Another bit of wording in NM is that you have to have been a Warden to be Master. Doesn't specify which one.

Same under GLoTX.

 

[Glen Cook]

Another bit of wording in NM is that you have to have been a Warden to be Master. Doesn't specify which one.

I'd be curious if there is a jurisdiction where service as a warden is -not- required.

 

[Ripcord22A]

I'd be curious if there is a jurisdiction where service as a warden is -not- required.

My question for this, and I know each jurisdiction is/will be different, but if you've been a warden, and then master and a couple yrs later are in the line again, do you have to be a warden again or does the first go round count?

 

[Glen Cook]

My question for this, and I know each jurisdiction is/will be different, but if you've been a warden, and then master and a couple yrs later are in the line again, do you have to be a warden again or does the first go round count?

I've never seen a requirement that if you've been a warden in that jurisdiction, you must go through a warden's chair.

Note, when I went through the chairs in my UGLE lodge, it was asked that I go through the wardens' chairs, even though I'd served as a master twice before in my mother jurisdiction. A similar route was taken as I went through my chapter chairs there.

 

[Ripcord22A]

I've never seen a requirement that if you've been a warden in that jurisdiction, you must go through a warden's chair.

Note, when I went through the chairs in my UGLE lodge, it was asked that I go through the wardens' chairs, even though I'd served as a master twice before in my mother jurisdiction. A similar route was taken as I went through my chapter chairs there.

being in different jurisdictions I understand that. Thanks Bro! As ive said before hopefully some day we will be in the same place at the same time Id love to hear about your masonic journeys in person!

 

[Bill Lins]

My question for this, and I know each jurisdiction is/will be different, but if you've been a warden, and then master and a couple yrs later are in the line again, do you have to be a warden again or does the first go round count?

Under GLoTX, you would not have to serve again as a Warden.

 

[Warrior1256]

Not sure about this in my jurisdiction but will find out.

 

[dfreybur]

Under GLoTX, you would not have to serve again as a Warden.

Same in my other two jurisdictions. Once you've been a warden in that lodge you're allowed to be elected to the East at any future point and as many times as needed. So far I've only repeated years in the east in one state and I didn't have to go back in order.

Having been through the line in another jurisdiction doesn't count against this requirement in any of my jurisdictions or any that I have heard of. The fact that I've been through the line in other states gives me a big head start in ritual but does not count for the requirement to serve as a warden.

 

[Bloke]

being in different jurisdictions I understand that. Thanks Bro! As ive said before hopefully some day we will be in the same place at the same time Id love to hear about your masonic journeys in person!

There is something called a telephone you know...I've talked to quite a few american masons, once they get past the accent, it's a great experience !

 

[Elexir]

I'd be curious if there is a jurisdiction where service as a warden is -not- required.

In the Swedish rite in Sweden (at least in the first Three degrees but I think it remains the same in the whole system) you are not required to hold an office at all, all who serve as officers volunteer to have the office they have. A progressive line cant exist as the wardens have to hold the VII degree wich takes a few years to get.

 

[Warrior1256]

There is something called a telephone you know...I've talked to quite a few american masons, once they get past the accent, it's a great experience !

If you can get past my southern accent, lol.

 

[Warrior1256]

In the Swedish rite in Sweden (at least in the first Three degrees but I think it remains the same in the whole system) you are not required to hold an office at all, all who serve as officers volunteer to have the office they have. A progressive line cant exist as the wardens have to hold the VII degree wich takes a few years to get.

Interesting!

 

[Glen Cook]

In the Swedish rite in Sweden (at least in the first Three degrees but I think it remains the same in the whole system) you are not required to hold an office at all, all who serve as officers volunteer to have the office they have. A progressive line cant exist as the wardens have to hold the VII degree wich takes a few years to get.

I'm unaware of any GL which requires one to serve as an officer. My query was a bit different: is there any GL which doesn't have prerequisite offices to serve as a Master?

 

[Bill Lins]

Having been through the line in another jurisdiction doesn't count against this requirement in any of my jurisdictions or any that I have heard of. The fact that I've been through the line in other states gives me a big head start in ritual but does not count for the requirement to serve as a warden.

Under GLoTX it does- you would not have to serve as a Warden in a Texas Lodge since you've served as Master in another jurisdiction.

Art. 276. Qualifications.
Any member of a Lodge in good standing, and against whom no charges are pending, and who has previously served as Worshipful Master of a regular Lodge in another Grand Jurisdiction, or as Worshipful Master or Warden of a Lodge in this Grand Jurisdiction, and who is qualified according to the provisions of Article 276a of these laws, is eligible to be elected Worshipful Master.

You would, however, have to comply with Art. 276a, as follows:

Art. 276a. Additional Qualifications.
Prior to his installation as Worshipful Master or Warden, a Brother shall in all circumstances first be qualified as follows:

1. To the satisfaction of the members of his Lodge, he shall be proficient to properly open and close an Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, Master Mason’s Lodge, and a Master Mason’s Lodge of Sorrow in the manner prescribed by the Committee on Work and approved by this Grand Lodge, and

2. To the satisfaction of the members of his Lodge, he shall have completed a Grand Lodge approved course in the administration of his duties or the Lodge Instruction for Effectiveness program (L.I.F.E.) under the supervision of the Masonic Education and Service Committee. The L.I.F.E. Program is to be administered by a Lodge Counselor appointed by the Worshipful Master, whose term expires upon the appointment of his successor in office.

Any person who has previously served as Worshipful Master of a Lodge under the Jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge of Texas is exempt from the requirements of this article.