Widows Sons

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Sk3tchNinja, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. MarkR

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    You must be deliberately ignoring the obvious, because you keep raising these clearly irrelevant comparisons. Nobody is threatened by the appearance of the Royal Order of Peacocks (I've never heard of them; do they really exist?), just like nobody is threatened by the appearance of Knights Templars in their plumed Captain Crunch hats (I believe you raised that comparison earlier.) People are threatened by the appearance of the Widow's Sons.
     
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  2. Glen Cook

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    Well, there certainly is a tension there. I do not wear emblems when I do an interview about my client who is an alleged murderer. I will do so for an interview regarding the Scottish Association. The visible emblems, assuming not a face tattoo, can be removed
     
  3. Browncoat

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    Yes. The ones who have been posting in this thread.
     
  4. Glen Cook

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    Unhelpful, mean spirited, and inaccurate. I'm not threatened. I ride and wear a patch. My issue was with that particular patch and the sponsorship of a vulgar web site.
     
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  5. jvarnell

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    No what is a bad light...we differ on what that is. 1919467_170635782297_3280739_n.jpg
     
  6. jvarnell

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    I do not know of any WS group that still wares that patch so should it be judged because you can not get rid of images on the internet.
     
  7. Browncoat

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    Then it sounds like I'm not referring to you. Let's not put our aprons on too tight.

    It's pretty obvious that there are some folks who take issue with the Widow's Sons. That's fine, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, the attempts to justify their stance are bogus. "The masses" aren't scared of and intimidated by the Widow's Sons. You can see scarier looking people at Walmart.

    There are far more rider's groups who do more good than bad. Men who ride for charity and visit hospitals to deliver presents to kids @ Christmas and things like that. Sorry, but that old "bad boy" stereotype just doesn't hold water anymore. Yes, the 1%ers still exist, but they're just that. 1%.

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    There is no official uniform of Freemasonry. These Widow's Sons could very easily belong to any of these other groups and wear a fez or a chapeau on a different day of the week. They're still Master Masons.
     
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  8. jvarnell

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    I think if we ware our Masonic "Colors" no mater what we do as a hobby. And if we are a part of a Masonic bow hunting club where every member of that club had to be a MM of good standing to belong it would not have an edict against it.
     
  9. jvarnell

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    Here Here
     
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  10. Glen Cook

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    Good. I was not judging based on old images on the Internet. Note I used the past tense in referring to my action in 2008.
     
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  11. MarkR

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    I don't suppose you read the post I made earlier in this thread about parents hustling their kids out of the room when they came in and saw Widow's Sons in their "colors." But you just go on pretending that looking like a motorcycle gang isn't a deliberate thing to look "badass."
     
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  12. Glen Cook

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    It would in many jurisdictions if it failed to seek permission to organize as a group with a Masonic prerequisite. It likely would in some jurisdictions if it maintained a "MILF" public page.
     
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  13. Browncoat

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    Yes, I read your post.

    There are also old ladies who clutch their purses when a black kid walks by also. That doesn't mean that attitude is the overriding sentiment of society.

    If you have read my previous posts, you would've found that I stated that the Widow's Sons clearly chose to dress this way. They absolutely chose the outlaw biker image, just as Commandery chose to look like some sort of flightless bird, just as Shriners chose to wear flower pots on their heads. Your argument still has no legs to stand on. The point is moot.
     
  14. pointwithinacircle2

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    Warning: The following comment is embarrassingly self revealing and has been hidden for your safety. It contains things you may not want to think about. Should you choose to view this comment simply highlight between the asterisks. The management cannot be held responsible should you attempt to read this comment. *****I own a bike and a black leather jacket. I am an aging baby boomer whose youthful vigor and sexual prowess is slowly slipping away. The respect that I receive in the world is slowly changing from "I wanna be like that Dude" to "I should help the old guy". It has been a long time since a strange woman looked at me suggestively (and the last time it happened I was riding my bike). So yeah, I wanna feel like a bad-ass one more time before I die. But, at the same time, I am mature enough to have learned that I am happiest when I color inside the lines. In my life, I sometimes I have to choose whether I want to be right, or want to be happy. Happy is usually a lot less work.*****
     
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    You've made my argument. "Outlaw image" and Freemasonry are not compatible. You want to run around looking badass? Fine. Just leave the square and compass out of it.

    This is my last post on this issue. I promise. Nobody is changing anybody's opinion. I've made mine clear.
     
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  16. Browncoat

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    A lot of jurisdictions disagree and have healthy Widow's Sons chapters.
     
  17. jvarnell

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    And some of the lodges chose to ware suits to lodge which could be mistaken as a outlaw banker.....lol
     
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  18. jvarnell

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    If you want to run around looking like you are a part of the Outlaw banker image you should do the same. I don't see what I ware makes me anything. it is what is in my hart. I try not to judge anyone by what they ware because. Look at what most real millionaire ware, drive, and so on. someone could be the millionaire next door, millionaire in your lodge or millionaire working in your office without you knowing it.
     
  19. Glen Cook

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    Except that a vest at $80, not counting patches, is as much as a sport jacket.
    Sometimes, what you wear expresses what is in your heart.
     
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  20. jvarnell

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    The vest is protection for your skin. If I had not been wearing my vest when I was hit on the freeway my back would have been raw meat. I only paid $35 for it but it did its job. You did not get what I said about the outlaw bankers I guess. They are also called 1%er by some people (wallstreet protesters). I know they are not bad also because I am one of them too. Do we as masons not ware suits because the wallstreet protester my associate mason as with people they think are bad?
     

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