How old is freemasonry?

[BryanMaloney]

Autism and factual thought go together. It's hard-wired.

Too bad I'm some sort of "stuck" thing and will be "stuck" for my entire life, thanks to biology.

 

[coachn]

Yet, you contribute as you can. Every one can and does within his own limitations, if they so desire. I know that I do, even with my own Asperger's challenges.

 

[BryanMaloney]

If any old rubbish can be made up, why bother getting any of it right, then? Why bother getting H- A-'s story right? Just make up whatever.

 

[dfreybur]

But if anything can be made up, why worry about truth at all?

I recall reading about a very great teacher who made up stories to teach truths. His stories get called parables.

 

[coachn]

If any old rubbish can be made up, why bother getting any of it right, then?

We bother when we see taking such actions will prove a point to another that we have heavily invested in. We bother when what is being examined has some special significance to us. We bother when we want to believe something must be factual to have value. There are a lot of reason as to why people bother. There are just as many reasons for not bothering at all.

Why bother getting H- A-'s story right?

Right for whom? There are a lot of differing versions. Which one is "right"? How are you defining "right"?

Just make up whatever.

First off, if you truly believe that the H.A. Legend is Factual or even Historial, then you and I are not on the same page.

 

[coachn]

I recall reading about a very great teacher who made up stories to teach truths. His stories get called parables.

You mean his stories were not Factual?!?!?!? NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everything I learned was a LIE!!!!!!

 

[BryanMaloney]

I recall reading about a very great teacher who made up stories to teach truths. His stories get called parables.

And he was also God, literally and completely. Who else is is that qualified?

 

[coachn]

And he was also God, literally and completely. Who else is is that qualified?

I also recall that there was a vote taken back about 1700 or 1800 years ago that determined this man's status as a deity, of which was not generally accepted as fact prior. But we might not be talking about the same guy. I wonder to this day how such a thing could be substantiated as factual, 2000 years later. Then I remember! True Faith requires belief only and Facts are not part of the equation.

 

[BryanMaloney]

There was no such "vote". Or is it your contention that Christianity is false?

 

[coachn]

There was no such "vote".

If you say so.

Or is it your contention that Christianity is false?

I don't see this as a either/or contention. And I don't see this having anything to do with Christianity being false or true.

What I do see though is that you are taking it this way, and that responding to this would then direct the thread into matters of religious belief, which, as I understand it, is a matter of choice.

For the record, I could not care less about whether others voted upon this years ago, or not. I voted for myself, and that is ALL that matters to me. And it would truly be sad to think that my voting one way or the other would make any difference to the vote of another man in this regard. A man chooses to believe or not. And if he has faith, facts are not an issue. If fact were, then it is not faith.

 

[Levelhead]

Heres a picture . Now MOST of us know whats going on in the picture. Just read the caption, look at the picture, understand whats happening, look at how old it is and just think.hmmm.

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[Levelhead]

Dont mind me im a masonic history lover!


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[Morris]

I think the point is like this. I can start Jeff's flyers club today. I can trace aviation back to the wright brothers. Then I can trace it back to the first hot air ballon. Then I can possibly trace it back to Da Vinci or Abbas Ibn Firnas. So when did Jeff's club start? Today


Jeff

 

[Morris]

I believe Freemasonry started in the 15-1600s. I have no real facts, just what I interpret from other people's research.


Jeff

 

[Morris]

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/buta.html

Just one of the litany of papers on this site and on this subject. For me, this makes sense.

 

[nixxon2000]

So I think I'd like to go back to my question.

How old do "you" think freemasonry is? Who/which group started masonry as we know it today? Is there any evidence that someone like Socrates was a Freemason?






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[BryanMaloney]

Heres a picture . Now MOST of us know whats going on in the picture. Just read the caption, look at the picture, understand whats happening, look at how old it is and just think.hmmm.View attachment 4295


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You deny the possibility that Masons saw this picture and projected their own "meaning" onto it, regardless of its actual Egyptian usage?

 

[Levelhead]

It can work either way! Just thought it was interesting. Im very open minded to origins.


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[crono782]

IMO I think it is more oft than not the other way around. That is, masonry borrowed ideas from other mystery schools (or were perhaps" infiltrated" by members of other schools and ideas were assimilated) rather than masonry being of such ancient origin. But that's just me.


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[Levelhead]

I agree


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