Mel Knight
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One would say that you're technically not a MM until you've gone through RAM!
What are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts?
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Are You Really a MM?
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Dontrell Stroman
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What is RAM ?
In the US it's Royal Arch Mason* and I personally feel all Brothers should pursue the Degree. You don't have to continue further in the "York Rite" after that, if you don't want.
*In England (and elsewhere) RAM stands for Royal Ark Mariner. The Royal Arch is known as Holy Royal Arch and is actually attached to Grand Lodge, as opposed to being a separate body.
Dontrell Stroman
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I've never heard that before. I don't see how one could say your really not a MM unless you join an appendant body. To me it's nothing more than a recruitment tactic. Next they will be saying your not really a MM unless you receive your 32 or join the Shrine. Anyone that has been initiated, passed, and raised will know what makes them a mason. I don't recall anything stating that I must go through "RAM" If this is true then what does that say about the Freemason that has been in the craft for over 40+ years and only received his third degree. Again, recruitment tactic to make you feel that what you done isn't enough and you need to go higher.
Canadian Paul
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Although a member of the Scottish Rite and the Royal order of Scotland, the 'highest' degree I have is that of "Master Mason'.
Companion Joe
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Obviously, I am partial to the York Rite.
With that said, once you have been raised, yes, you are as much a Master Mason as anyone, and the third degree is the "highest" there is. I'd say the Red Cross of Constantine and the 33rd are the most exclusive, but neither makes you more of a Master Mason than anyone who has never ventured beyond the Blue Lodge.
With that said, you need to go through the Royal Arch to receive the true word of a Master Mason. What you get in the Blue Lodge third degree is the substitute word.
With that said, once you have been raised, yes, you are as much a Master Mason as anyone, and the third degree is the "highest" there is. I'd say the Red Cross of Constantine and the 33rd are the most exclusive, but neither makes you more of a Master Mason than anyone who has never ventured beyond the Blue Lodge.
With that said, you need to go through the Royal Arch to receive the true word of a Master Mason. What you get in the Blue Lodge third degree is the substitute word.
As I mentioned, in England it is not an "appendant body," but is part of UGLE and is considered the completion of the MM Degree. You should spend some time studying the Royal Arch's history and not let the blinders of the American version narrow your view.
One would disagree. Whilst I am a PrGO in England and a GLO in the US, and I think all Masons should do HRA, I would indicate every GL of which I am aware considers one to be a Mason without the HRA.
From my understanding in ancient craft masonry the HRAM degrees where part of what is now in the US blue lodge there was no separation of the two house they where done together ...this is a loaded question it depends on how you look at it imo
Well, it is the completion of the three degrees, especially the third, this degree is to find which was lost, the genuine secrets of a MM.
And Holy Royal Arch in England and Wales is deemed as an appendant body, with different rulers and constitution but most of the time the rulers are the same, just like the MWGM DoK is also 1st GP in the Supreme Grand Chapter, also the relationship between the United Grand Lodge and the Supreme Grand Chapter are very close.
MMs in England and Wales are encouraged to join HRA but it is not a must.
P.S. You do not need to be advanced(MMM) or being a Past Master to be exalted in a Chapter here.
And Holy Royal Arch in England and Wales is deemed as an appendant body, with different rulers and constitution but most of the time the rulers are the same, just like the MWGM DoK is also 1st GP in the Supreme Grand Chapter, also the relationship between the United Grand Lodge and the Supreme Grand Chapter are very close.
MMs in England and Wales are encouraged to join HRA but it is not a must.
P.S. You do not need to be advanced(MMM) or being a Past Master to be exalted in a Chapter here.
AndreAshlar
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Does your ritual address the TRUE Master's word or the Master's word?
What do you mean by the True word or the Master's word?
In the third degree it is stated very clearly that the word now using in MM degree is (actually are) substitutes because it was lost. Have a look on the Third degree ritual then you will know that.
And the Holy Royal Arch degree recovered the genuine secrets.
I wanted to address that also but I need to be sitting in a tiled lodge to discuss ritual
AndreAshlar
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I do not know what you mean by w.i.y.t.b.a.m.m. without any indications where is it.
I'm not sure are you in HRA yet, my ritual books didn't have the phrases "True word" and "Master's word" either. I think you are referring to both words that being used in HRA(Genuine word of MM), MM(Substitute one from the previous one) respectively.
In the part of the resumption of the history in my ritual, it said, After founding the body of our M. HAb, those FCs returned back to Jerusalem and report back to KS. KS then informed the FCs that the genuine secrets of a MM is lost, due to the death of HAb and he charged the FCs to observe any casual s., g. or t. and w.
So that's why the s., g or t, and w. of a MM that we are now using are not the genuine secret of a MM
Bloke
Premium Member
LOL... maybe where the goats came in..... we call it RAM here..
You are a unequivocally a MM when you have done your Third Degree.
MarkR
Premium Member
In the Scottish Rite (SJ, anyway) the Lost Word and the True Word are different, one is recovered in the 13° and the other is discovered in the 18°.
Remember, it's all allegory. There was no "word" lost; that's not what the search is about, and not the actual meaning of the recovered word.
Remember, it's all allegory. There was no "word" lost; that's not what the search is about, and not the actual meaning of the recovered word.
Brother_Steve
Premium Member
Isn't this how conspiracy theorist think?