Fed employees make more than private sector

[JTM]

Please enlighten me brother. What would you compare the job of a Border Patrol Agent with ? BPA's are Fed employees. While your at it can you tell me what the job description and duties of a Border Patrol Agent are ?

I believe we are on the same sheet of music on comparisons. (*** "All in all, I do not see how a person can compare a federal law enforcement employee's pay with that of anybody in the private or other public sector". --Me ) But we apparently disagree about my getting paid well for doing my job while you sleep comfortably in your bed at night.

"Please enlighten me brother" ? Lol, don't get offended. It's a discussion.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that they BPAs and City cops are even close to the same job, therefore the pay shouldn't be compared.

What this article is mostly talking about are the "Project managers," "Human resources," "Accountant," "Staff scientist."

The one I know the most about is the research position. A government researcher in an NIH lab essentially has an unlimited budget and makes way more with more benefits. Those are the jobs everyone wants to get.

And what I'm getting at is that that situation is crap. The federal scientist should make less than the private industry scientist.

oh, and a brief summary:

Border patrol agents, who are federal law enforcement officers, make sure that laws are observed when goods or people enter the United States. They work at ports of entry and all along the border to prevent smuggling and the entrance of illegal aliens.

One of their chief duties is covert surveillance along the border, using electronic sensors, infrared scopes, low-light television systems, and aircraft. They also conduct traffic and transportation checks at ports of entry; arrest aliens who live in this country illegally; and make suggestions to the courts about immigration matters, including applications for citizenship.

 

[jim9361]

"Please enlighten me brother" ? Lol, don't get offended. It's a discussion.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that they BPAs and City cops are even close to the same job, therefore the pay shouldn't be compared.

What this article is mostly talking about are the "Project managers," "Human resources," "Accountant," "Staff scientist."

The one I know the most about is the research position. A government researcher in an NIH lab essentially has an unlimited budget and makes way more with more benefits. Those are the jobs everyone wants to get.

And what I'm getting at is that that situation is crap. The federal scientist should make less than the private industry scientist.

oh, and a brief summary:

No offense taken. It just gets me all riled up when discussions like this get started and a lot of misinformation is stated along the way. Through our back and forth I believe that we 99% agree with each other and have put out a pretty good picture of the facts. Thanks for the help.

That being said please allow me to fix a few things here;
Border patrol agents, who are federal law enforcement officers, make sure that laws are observed when goods or people enter the United States. They work at ports of entry and all along the border to prevent smuggling and the entrance of illegal aliens. Border patrol agent should be replaced with Customs and Border Protection Officer and remove all along the border and that would be a correct statement. CBPO's wear blue uniforms and work at ports of entry (air, sea and land ports). BPA's wear green uniforms and work along the border between the ports of entry.

One of their chief duties is covert surveillance along the border, using electronic sensors, infrared scopes, low-light television systems, also by sign-cutting (tracking) use of ATV's riverine boats and forward operating bases in remote locations. There are a lot more methods, too many to list. and aircraft No, Office of Air and Marine use aircraft. The USBP no longer has any pilots or aircraft. They also conduct traffic and transportation checks at ports of entry; No, we do traffic and transportation checks on highways leading away from the borders and at USBP checkpoints, not at POE's arrest aliens who live in this country illegally Nope, ICE Detention and Removal Office does that; and make suggestions to the courts about immigration matters, including applications for citizenship Sorry no again, Customs and Immigration Services does that.

Check out http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/careers/...areers/bp_agent/faqs_working_for_the_usbp.xml It will give you a pretty good picture what we are about.

 

[Traveling Man]

I think I see where this goes. Maybe you could riddle me this...

The last time I walked across the international bridge some guard was observing me smoking my Cuban cigar with his binoculars. My wife and I both noticed this as I was not finished yet and paced back and forth. He observed me in specific, I then pointed downward to some "international undocumented pedestrians" that were navigating below. We then saw him shrug his shoulders and then went back to watching me. Of course when I finished enjoying my cigar and then proceeded to enter the U.S. my person and my wife’s belongings were searched. This must be the separated functions that you describe above? I see it works very well; it's almost as efficient as having my baggage x-rayed three separate times by three separate U.S. federal agencies this week while exiting Puerto Rico. Between the above and TSA personnel arguing about the length of a wrench in my carry on luggage that had passed through three other flights at TSA “manned†inspections, they asked me, “if I wanted to pay for shipping it home?†I told them, “nice call†as no one had a ruler and they had wasted more of “MY†time than the wrench was worth; they could keep it and Merry Christmas; they asked me what “that†meant. (It wasn’t Christmas). I now feel so secure!

I hate to be so cynical but that’s how it all appears from the other side. Your tax dollars at work!

With all of the machinations done above, while a middle eastern diplomat smokes on a flight. We get bullied, and they; get let go…

 

[JTM]

you saw people getting into the united states illegally, and he did as well, but they did nothing about it? that's a shame.

as for smoking on a flight, is this in reference to this article (link)? generally, a diplomat has immunity to our laws. that's just the job. fairness or anything like that has nothing to do with it. neither does being "middle eastern." however, it would appear that justice is being pursued by the normal way that this is done:

Foreign diplomats in the United States, like American diplomats posted abroad, have broad immunity from prosecution. The official said if the man's identity as a Qatari diplomat was confirmed and if it was found that he may have committed a crime, U.S. authorities would have to decide whether to ask Qatar to waive his diplomatic immunity so he could be charged and tried. Qatar could decline, the official said, and the man would likely be expelled from the United States.

on an unrelated note:
it is my understanding that you can bring 50 dollars or less worth of cuban goods back into the country with you without a problem. or that's what the agent told me last year when i went back through with a box of cubans from cozumel.

he asked me if i was bringing anything back with me (souvenirs), i showed him everything, he didn't have a problem with it.

now, normally i have a problem with people going through my luggage, but I, as a passenger on an international flight, knew my stuff would get searched, and I consented when I purchased my ticket and got on the plane.

 

[Traveling Man]

Merchandise from Embargoed Countries

Generally, you may not bring in any merchandise from Cuba, Iran, Burma (Myanmar) or most of Sudan. The Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of Treasury enforces economic sanctions against these countries. To bring in merchandise from these countries, you will first need a specific license from the Office of Foreign Assets Control. Such licenses are rarely granted. You can write to the:


Office of Foreign Assets Control
Department of the Treasury
Washington, DC 20220

Prohibitions on Cuban Cigars

There is a total ban on the importation into the United States of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products. This prohibition extends to such products acquired in Cuba, irrespective of whether a traveler is licensed by Office of Foreign Asset Controls (OFAC) to engage in Cuba travel-related transactions, and to such products acquired in third countries by any U.S. Traveler, including purchases at duty-free shops. Contrary to what many people may believe, it is illegal for travelers to bring into the United States Cuban cigars acquired in third countries, such as Canada, United Kingdom, or Mexico.

So, I guess they lie to you too! I guess it pays to verify?

 

[Traveling Man]

Foreign diplomats in the United States, like American diplomats posted abroad, have broad immunity from prosecution. The official said if the man's identity as a Qatari diplomat was confirmed and if it was found that he may have committed a crime, U.S. authorities would have to decide whether to ask Qatar to waive his diplomatic immunity so he could be charged and tried. Qatar could decline, the official said, and the man would likely be expelled from the United States.

I assume that that will sit up there with the multi millions of dollars worth of fines accumulated through parking tickets at the U.N. in NYC. This along with the rape cases etc. They NEVER choose to withdraw immunity.

 

[JTM]

or, they just let me through with it. cool guys.

 

[Traveling Man]

on an unrelated note:
it is my understanding that you can bring 50 dollars or less worth of cuban goods back into the country with you without a problem. or that's what the agent told me last year when i went back through with a box of cubans from cozumel.

he asked me if i was bringing anything back with me (souvenirs), i showed him everything, he didn't have a problem with it.

now, normally i have a problem with people going through my luggage, but I, as a passenger on an international flight, knew my stuff would get searched, and I consented when I purchased my ticket and got on the plane.

As I have seen many times when down in the Cribe; I have been asked if these (the one's they are showing me) are real Cuban Cigars. I try to avoid telling them the cigars they just purchased were counterfit. I asked them how do they smoke? If they enjoyed them; then they must be the real thing... Maybe that's why they never get taken from them? But I try not to burst anyones' bubble. It's just the ideal of the forbbiden fruit that makes certain cigars seem so superior.

"If there is no [cigar] smoking in heaven, I shall not go"-Mark Twain