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The big pink elephant in the room...

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Bill Lins

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Man if I could only tell how my study groups went, how much sweated and how scared I was. And all the memory work that I (we) had to put in. It's not like that in the MS lodge. We don't have the study groups, or the pressure and anticipation of getting the next degree.

My opinion is that a MS lodge believes in the more lengthy degree work. Where Prince Hall believes in doing it all from memory. And allows for more fun during degrees and study groups.

My Brother, if you ever attend a MS Lodge in Texas, you might find things a bit different- we do EVERYTHING from memory. We have fun but we DO take the work seriously, from the catechism to the degree work to the floorwork.
 

dew_time

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The point I was making was that Bro. Doug seemed to be saying that NASCAR & rodeo are primarily "white folks" pastimes. Once he's been here a little longer, he'll find that it's not so.

You can have NASCAR!! Haha.

What I was talking about was unification. I may have used the wrong word when I said integration but by integration I ment of the two groups coming together as one and not the old 60's style. I miss spoke my words and I apologize. But you can NASCAR if you want it...

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towerbuilder7

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BRO. VINCENT, I agree with you statements about race/ethinicity. RACE is a fairly modern term; However, ETHNICITY/LAND OF ORIGIN was how the ancients were referred to, and this included their country of origin, as well as their physical characteristics. Historians throughout the ages have always noted the differences in physical characteristics as explorers "discovered" (I LOVE THAT TERM) lands that were new TO THEM.

Also, "Blackness" has not mattered until the last two Centuries because that particular terminology was not used among the Ancients. People of Color were usually referred to by their land of origin, i.e., Ethiopians, Hittites, Moabites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Mesopotamians, etc., as were other people, however, the differences were most definitely observed and noted by the Scribes/Historians of every era............As Americans, our Country is the most COLOR CONSCIOUS IN THE WORLD.........We made race a major issue during the Transatlantic Slave Trade, on through the Jim Crow Era, and even TODAY IN MASONRY------LOOK AT THE 9 SOUTHERN STATES THAT EITHER DON'T RECOGNIZE PHA MASONRY, NOR ALLOW INTERVISITATION..........It aint just coincidence, Brethren.......It's RACE, PREJUDICE, PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS, STEREOTYPING, MISCONCEPTIONS, MISEDUCATION, AND THE LIST GOES ON...........and both sides could be blamed for its continued hindrance in our PROGRESSION AS A BROTHERHOOD.

ALL THE MORE REASON FOR FELLOWSHIP AND INTERVISITATION AMONG THOSE WHO CONSIDER THEMSELVES MORE AS REAL MASONS AND BROTHERS AND LESS AS "MEMBERS OF AN ORGANIZATION".........JUST MY TWO CENTS..........

BRO VINCENT C. JONES, SR., BAYOU CITY LODGE #228
PRINCE HALL AFFILIATION, FREE AND ACCEPTED MASONRY, HOUSTON, TEXAS
MOST WORSHIPFUL PRINCE HALL GRAND LODGE OF TEXAS
 

Bro. Vincent

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BRO. VINCENT, I agree with you statements about race/ethinicity. RACE is a fairly modern term; However, ETHNICITY/LAND OF ORIGIN was how the ancients were referred to, and this included their country of origin, as well as their physical characteristics. Historians throughout the ages have always noted the differences in physical characteristics as explorers "discovered" (I LOVE THAT TERM) lands that were new TO THEM.

Also, "Blackness" has not mattered until the last two Centuries because that particular terminology was not used among the Ancients. People of Color were usually referred to by their land of origin, i.e., Ethiopians, Hittites, Moabites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Mesopotamians, etc., as were other people, however, the differences were most definitely observed and noted by the Scribes/Historians of every era............As Americans, our Country is the most COLOR CONSCIOUS IN THE WORLD.........We made race a major issue during the Transatlantic Slave Trade, on through the Jim Crow Era, and even TODAY IN MASONRY------LOOK AT THE 9 SOUTHERN STATES THAT EITHER DON'T RECOGNIZE PHA MASONRY, NOR ALLOW INTERVISITATION..........It aint just coincidence, Brethren.......It's RACE, PREJUDICE, PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS, STEREOTYPING, MISCONCEPTIONS, MISEDUCATION, AND THE LIST GOES ON...........and both sides could be blamed for its continued hindrance in our PROGRESSION AS A BROTHERHOOD.

ALL THE MORE REASON FOR FELLOWSHIP AND INTERVISITATION AMONG THOSE WHO CONSIDER THEMSELVES MORE AS REAL MASONS AND BROTHERS AND LESS AS "MEMBERS OF AN ORGANIZATION".........JUST MY TWO CENTS..........

BRO VINCENT C. JONES, SR., BAYOU CITY LODGE #228
PRINCE HALL AFFILIATION, FREE AND ACCEPTED MASONRY, HOUSTON, TEXAS
MOST WORSHIPFUL PRINCE HALL GRAND LODGE OF TEXAS

That's a very insightful post brother! The aniceint people of color were very in tuned to the hue of their skin but there were predjudices becasue of it like there have been in western civilization. In an earlier post I explained, we know this to be true because of the representation of the Pineal Gland (and you must know what the it does for the melinated peoples of the earth) and what it meant to those peoples. Or as some poeple like to call it the 3rd eye.

We must be careful when we use the terms like Egpytians, Moorsetc. You are right in those peoples did not cll themselves that Indo-Europeans and Europeans called them that to differiacaite their racial makeup. Egyptian is a curruption of the word Agypticus by the Greeks, meaning "burnt or black face". I am not making up fantasies with these things you can research it for yourself. Just the term Moor or Mouros was also a European term which meant dark or black not muslim as so many wrongly throw out there...


I laughed out loud when I saw you highlighted discoverd...How does one discovery a land when there had been poeple established there who had been there 1000s of years before you arrived? Could I just come to your house, kick the door in, bring in my furniture and family and say, Behold! I have discovered this house! Huh?

But I do agree with alot of what you have said. Excellent post brother!
 

dew_time

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I laughed out loud when I saw you highlighted discoverd...How does one discovery a land when there had been poeple established there who had been there 1000s of years before you arrived? Could I just come to your house, kick the door in, bring in my furniture and family and say, Behold! I have discovered this house! Huh?

Ok... I had to laugh at this. No offense intended to the brother you are with but this was durn funny!!

I instantly thought of a line in song, 'this house is protected by god and a gun, you just might meet them both if you come round here uninvited'. Of course, just to clearify... any brother is welcome at my home.. even the ones of different hues ;)

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Bro. Vincent

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Ok... I had to laugh at this. No offense intended to the brother you are with but this was durn funny!!

I instantly thought of a line in song, 'this house is protected by god and a gun, you just might meet them both if you come round here uninvited'. Of course, just to clearify... any brother is welcome at my home.. even the ones of different hues ;)

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Now thats funny!
 

James F Jackson

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Eyees of fire, hair of wool, and skin of content....

Was wondering why those who have exposed masonry documents have no been disembowled for breaking their oath. It sickens me , my soul cries when ever i see this disrespect..

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Bro. Vincent

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Probably because most of those people aren't masons. Or guys that are no longer active and want to write books and thinks it's a good way to make money. I only get into history openly... I personally will never break my oaths and obligations. I know guys that haven't been active in years and will never break their oaths and obligations, then there are some who will go out and get drunk and start running their mouths for attention at a bar.
Even if you do become inactive in masonry, you must always honor those things with which you "so solemnly and sincerely promised..."
 

dfreybur

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The point I was making was that Bro. Doug seemed to be saying that NASCAR & rodeo are primarily "white folks" pastimes.

As I insist that race is about going fast, competing and getting timed, I listed the types of races I expect to find near me in Texas. There's a NASCAR track in Austin just down the rode a piece. I've seen billboards here in San Antonio that mention rodeos and I remembered seeing barrel races at rodeos I've been to.

Most of the rodeos I've seen have been northern affairs with plenty of cowboys from Montana and Alberta. At those rodeos they sing the US and Canadian national anthems because of who's competing. I learned O Canada as a kid when I grew up bicycle distance from the border. I take it this far from that border they don't play O Canada. Do they play the Mexican anthem at Texas rodeos because there are a lot of competitors from across that border? I don't know the words to that one.

Was wondering why those who have exposed masonry documents have no been disembowled for breaking their oath. It sickens me , my soul cries when ever i see this disrespect.

It's how you're supposed to view yourself. Our worst punishment is expulsion.

The fact that there are specific secrets that can be found in books doesn't mean we seek to destroy those books. It means you need to look elsewhere if you want to find those books. It means the fact that they can be found in books does not change how we deal with them. We still need to pass a tiler before we discuss specific topics.

Some secrets don't matter. There's the type of secret that is now taught in high school geometry that we learned long before we petitioned. There's the type of secret we can shout from the rooftops but it stays intact - We treat each other as kin and there is no "how". We Just Do It.
 
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Bro. Vincent

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It's how you're supposed to view yourself. Our worst punishment is expulsion.

The fact that there are specific secrets that can be found in books doesn't mean we seek to destroy those books. It means you need to look elsewhere if you want to find those books. It means the fact that they can be found in books does not change how we deal with them. We still need to pass a tiler before we discuss specific topics.

Some secrets don't matter. There's the type of secret that is now taught in high school geometry that we learned long before we petitioned. There's the type of secret we can shout from the rooftops but it stays intact - We treat each other as kin and there is no "how". We Just Do It.

Are you from Montana?


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