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IMO, it is when it leaves Spirituality and become Organized Religion. This is where we let other men influence our beliefs. This is where we become lazy and attempt to follow another man's path to our own salvation. This is where many tend to just "show up and listen," as opposed to think for...

Can somebody elaborate on this please?

+1.

Whatever.

Mmm, I see it as a devolving chain: Spirituality ---> Organized Religion ---> Fundamentalism

No idea.

We will do as Bro. Rhit said, and add them to our lodge rules and regulations, so GL has nothing to do with it. The more I think about it, I'm not really sure that GL is prepared to handle certifying lodges and all that anyway. I've had enough problems getting anyone down there to answer...

Come on now, like we haven't seen crazier stuff in Masonry?

How so? What do you mean "rules and regs?"

Lol, don't I know it.. ! However, it was just the CoW candidates we were discussing.. ! I can start on the rest as well if you'd like.. ! :001_tongue:

I'm gonna bring this up next Monday about adding a DI certification for our officers in our by-laws. We need to be qualified to open and close. The other stuff on the "c" cert, I don't really care about.

Was anyone else nominated?

Come now Bro. Rhit, are you trying to inject logic into a religious debate? Shame on you.. ! Taking the biblical stance here, I don't recall Jesus saying that judgement on this level is ok, but not on that one, or that just a little judgement is ok, etc. What I read is that he said NO...

I agree, but these aren't my rules. Jesus made them. Since we are in the habit of taking his words to tell others how they are wrong, this whole process seems highly hypocritical. I judge frequently, but then again, I am not in the habit of beating someone else's lifestyle over the head with...

To me, this thread is one of the major problems with man's influence on religion. IMO, Christ was pretty clear that his word was to be used as a tool for self improvement, to be seen as an example to follow for mankind to redeem himself for his sins, and come closer to reunification with god...

Is it not the same, or maybe a few rungs further down the same ladder? To determine that a man is not fit to be made a Mason while me and you are, is in effect, saying that we are in some way superior to him. What exactly do you mean by "safety and practical purposes?" John 8:7 clearly...

I am a cripple now, and my body runs faster than my legs, as my last attempt at football proved. I was never good at basketball, other than racking up fouls. The dunk was the only shot I could ever hit. I'm game to put on some breakaway pants and warm the bench though.

I do know, according to the bible, Jesus was quoted more times condemning a man judging another man than there are quotes condeming a man having sex with a man, if he is quoted condemning it at all. Which leads me to another question: How does Christ tell us we can't judge another man, while...

Which really has nothing to do with this discussion, unless you are trying to tie that into what is correct. When you look at it with that mindset, since homosexual sex can't reproduce, how can we consider it sex to begin with? No, we now live in a world where people are almost free to make...

Definitely something to consider when voting on new CoW members for sure, particularly someone who was previously on the CoW and wants to go again.