anti masonry

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by widows son, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. widows son

    widows son Premium Member

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    I recently had a convo with someone and they threw the proverbial anti Masonic book at me, but thankfully I had a good background with anti masonry, as I started my Masonic career against freemasonry, which is kinda odd but nonetheless my opinion changed after I got the facts straight, but in the back of my head I couldn't help but think that the so called conspiracy is growing, which might compromise our fine order, what do you guys think the best approach is to handling this problem?
     
  2. BryanMaloney

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    Truth ultimately defeats lies. That is all that is necessary.
     
  3. MarkR

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    If the anti-Masonry of the early 19th century didn't do it, the little bit that's going on now certainly won't. The few anti's out there are certainly not getting any wide-spread public attention.
     
  4. BroBill

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    If it's a topic you want to read up on, I found two reasonably neutral books that discuss the "how" and "why" of anti-masonry that provide some really good insight as to how it got started and why it won't seem to go away. I'd recommend- in this order-

    1. Morgan: The Scandal That Shook Freemasonry by Stephen Dafoe
    2. The Red Triangle: A History of Anti-Masonry by L.D. Cooper

    I did write my opinions on these books under the "Education and Literature" forum if you want to read my summaries of them.

    BroBill
     
  5. Ashlar

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    This will sound odd , but I truly enjoy anti-Masons . I do ! They talk as if they actually know what they are talking about , when it is one anti Mason passing on the mistaken mis-quoted/out of context ritual and writings of Masons such as Pike that originally came from other anti-Masons . They further the mystery of Freemasonry . They make us look so much more important than we truly are in that we actually run the world . They attribute all this power to us that does not exist .

    We have a few good , active brethren who joined because of anti-Masonry . These Brothers wanted to see if the stories were true , came in found no merit in the anti-mason's argument and became serious , active Masons .

    Also , I enjoy them for pure entertainment value . They make me laugh . I spend hours a week on anti-Mason forums , no matter what you tell them their minds will not be changed . They call us liars and make the claim we are not "high enough in rank" to know the real secrets of the 33rds (and HIGHER) , yet even though they are on the outside of Freemasonry they do know the "secrets" that we "porch Masons" do not . Funny stuff .
     
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  6. widows son

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    I agree brother it is hilarious but don't you guys think that the Internet poses a problem? I mean the 19th century is far different than now in terms of information being spread
     
  7. Brent Heilman

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    I don't think it makes any difference whether it is now or the 19th century. Yeah, the internet makes it easier to reach people, but then again their target audience is small and probably not much different than it was in 19th century America, proportion wise.

    I just watched America's Book of Secrets on H2 the night before last. I sat through it (first time seeing it) and shook my head in agreement with some of the things and laughed at some of the anti-masonry folks like Jim Marrs and the other guy they had on there, Alex King or something. Some of the stuff they spouted off was ludicrous at best. These guys go on and on repeating things that have been proven to be out right lies but yet they continue to perpetuate it.
     
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  8. jvarnell

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    I think the internet is good if we put out as much info as we can that is good qulity like the Ben Franklin things that the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts. Make it easy for them to find both sides.
     
  9. BryanMaloney

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    No. Lunatics on the internet have no more influence than lunatics off the internet, except among other lunatics.
     
  10. widows son

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    I think grand lodges need to step up and start retaliating in terms of information, we're a lot more knowledgable on our subject than these lunatics
     
  11. JJones

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    Nope. There's so much factual information on the internet that's easily available to non-masons that I'm glad there so many kooky theories out there that throw people off.
     
  12. JJones

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    Double post
     
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  13. martin

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    I got into a fight in innisfil Ontario with 2 punks my family was in the car we were waiting in a coffee place and 2 guys star been mouthy saying fucking Freemasons I gonna kick ur ass so I don't say anything but soon they star getting close to my car my wife and 4 year old son got scare so I got out and beat the shit out 2 punk , now I know as a mason I should b more calm but when comes to my family I get mad anyways I hope would never happend again
     
  14. widows son

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    Violence isn't the answer unless you are physically being attacked
     
  15. widows son

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    But I'm glad some sense got knocked into them!
     
  16. HKTidwell

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    When I started looking into Masonry back in 2003 or so most of the internet was Anti-Masonic. Today it is night and day, I attribute it to the Brothers, Lodges, and Grand Lodges becoming more visible. It is getting better and will continue to do so as each of us live our lives and the younger generations becomes active.
     
  17. widows son

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    But I think in someway the Internet might be preventing the younger generations for coming through our doors, that generation is lost without the Internet and in some areas it's becoming a downfall tithe craft
     
  18. MarkR

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    If that's your experience, then something is seriously wrong with the way your Lodge is using the internet. The single biggest reason for the resurgence of my Lodge (we currently have a progressive officer line with nobody over 40 years old, and not a single PM in the line, with young brothers sitting on the sidelines waiting for a chance to get into the line, and petitions coming in with regularity) is the establisment of a web site.

    You're correct; the first place today's young men go for information is the web, and in Mankato, when they do, our Lodge web site is the first thing that comes up on their search. They read, they use the email link to contact us, then they get to know us and petition.
     
  19. widows son

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    Then I need to express this issue, I wouldn't say that our grand lodge isn't doing enough, the area I'm from is very small, but I meant on a wider level that all grand lodges need to step it up including yours, they should all be on the same page
     
  20. widows son

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    Also in America this problem shouldnt be happening or should be on the decline due to the fact that Canada Has 68 million ppl and America has what 380 million ppl. Info gets passed around more efficiently due to your population. Believe me I'm not taking offense to anything, but if America is supposedly the "best country in The world" then shouldnt its values follow the same line as well? Mason or non mason? The question was on anti masonry and I'm expressing the concerns and issues that are happening in my country/area, you can't blame the grand lodge for these issues because they were inherited by my father, your father, everyone else's father and grandfather and so on. They kept masonry such a secret that it was made to be more than what it is. Now im not saying freemasonry is nothing to turn your cheek at because it is something and the. Some but the problem lies in the fact that on the 40s 50s 60s freemasonry was a father-son pass along which is one of the reasons that it is on the decline. I'm am so happy that your lodge has many people coming thru your doors because the value which makes us brothers will live forever, but you can't blame the grande lodge for the lack of people coming thru the doors, like I said the Internet has I profound effect on the new generation a basic search of freemasonry will show up more anti material than pri
     

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