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Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by daviddenboer, Jul 12, 2012.

  1. daviddenboer

    daviddenboer Registered User

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    From my experience recognizing another type is one thing and a second thing is doing business with them. There’s two steps in recognizing Prince Halls, International/drox Humain and military Freemasons.
     
  2. David612

    David612 Registered User

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    Those are not similar groups.
     
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  3. daviddenboer

    daviddenboer Registered User

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    What’s not similar about them? They all use very similar rituals and are consistent with differences between grand lodges. I have been in different AFM, AFAM and PHA lodges throughout the states and they’re degrees are very similar in nature.

    There memorization work for all three degrees are similar enough in nature and the people despite gender or race are very moral and ethical.
     
  4. Thomas Stright

    Thomas Stright Premium Member

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    There is only 1 gender in Free Masonry....
     
  5. daviddenboer

    daviddenboer Registered User

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    Is that the human gender or male only? This is an open Masonic forum and not necessarily for those that are male specific.
     
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  6. David612

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    Well le droit humain is what I’m guessing you mean by drox Humain? Is co-masonry and therefore cannot be communicated with let alone recognised, “Prince halls” vary on grand lodge but from my understanding for the most part this is being reconciled, “military Freemasons” are not a seperate group but rather a lodge formed by service personnel, recognition isn’t an issue based on their military affiliation.
     
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  7. David612

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    It seems that way but in fact the bias here is regular freemasonry and in particular Texas flavour masonry.
     
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  8. Thomas Stright

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    Male only, My obligation doesn’t recognize female free masons.


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  9. Bro. David F. Hill

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    Best way to put this is that impatience has put you in a box. Here are a few answers:
    • In Texas there is open visitation between the GL of Texas and the PHGL of Texas.
    • I can't speak for the rules of the GL of Texas but our constitution requires that you finish with the lodge that initiated you unless life happens and you have to move. At that point both lodges or jurisdictions would need to agree to perform courtesy work but once completed you would be a member of the original lodge and would have to apply for a demit.
    • If you petitioned a PHA lodge while in this situation, a question on the application would ask if you had petitioned another lodge. to answer No and then the investigation finds otherwise would disqualify you. If you answered Yes, they would direct you to the Regular Grand Lodge for that state as there is no procedure in most states to handle courtesy work between the Grand Bodies in each state.
    • I can't speak for the rules of the GL of Texas but our constitution states that it is a Masonic Offense to tell how a vote went other that passed or denied or how a person voted.
    • There are many nuances to the question of Regular, Irregular, Clandestine that even seasoned Masons don't completely understand so I would suggest avoiding those discussions.
    • Military lodges are chartered under State Grand Lodges.
    • Finally, I would suggest contacting either the Secretary of your original lodge or the Grand Secretary to clarify your current status. They will also be able to instruct you on what steps will need to be taken to reach completion of your degree work.
     
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  10. daviddenboer

    daviddenboer Registered User

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    Thank you brother hill for your response, I appreciate your answers.
     

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