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Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by daviddenboer, Jul 12, 2012.

  1. Ripcord22A

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    Yeah in nm and or once the prof is complete the WM declares the candidate profecient or not, end of story. Before a degree wjen the WM announces that he is about to.confer a deg he asks if there are objections...

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  2. Randy81

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    We have to vote on proficiency I guess but we have a committee that listens to it and one past master has to be present. Needless to say, nobody votes against the committee. Other lodges I've been to are the same.

    As far as everything else, it's confusing to me. The vote is to recieve the degrees or to be accepted into a lodge. Why on earth would their be another vote. He's already been voted to recieve degrees.
     
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  3. Warrior1256

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    In my lodges the members present vote whether or not to accept a proficiency. Majority rules.
     
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  4. daviddenboer

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    I appreciate the fellow Brethern posting comments on this from the lodges in Arizona I petitioned in the past. I have come back to Houston three years ago and settled the manner with my lodge. It came to Masonic trial attempt two years ago and was dropped, the lodge will not sign my petition.

    I have turned in my fellow craft work back in 2006, since traveling for work I encountered rules in Florida at Tropical lodge regarding Prince Halls. Military Master Masons there taught me a bit more and at this point I am no longer pursuing this matter.

    I have not been convicted of any crimes in any country and I have proudly served my country in the military as well as AmeriCorps for three years. To have a rejection based on mental health conditions is not a positive image and to not do business with Prince Halls is against my upbringing.

    Thank you again for all the brethren who have commented on this!
     
  5. David612

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    To be honest, knowing nothing more about you other than that you have been brought up on charges and are seeking affiliation I would blackball you too.
    I would expect to know a good deal about you given your past before being willing to vote in your favour.
     
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  6. daviddenboer

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    Appreciate your honesty Dave!
     
  7. David612

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    Not sure what the waiting period is to repetition (re-petition?)
    But if you are going to be in the area a while perhaps getting to know the lodges I’m the area would be worthwhile so they can get to know you as you are?
     
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  8. Howard Giang

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    Hi, I am not yet a Mason, but I think this accusation will not help you if you are sincerely to be adopted for life into Freemasonry.
    I think you might not aware of your social media activities especially on Facebook. A lot of people got into trouble with their comments. You said you contacted some Masons via Facebook. Why?
    One thing that most candidates are not aware that a candidate can not be a Mason if they are prejudiced, racist, and anti-semantic. If you projected any of comments on social media, you are done. Someone will blackball you without you ever understand the reason why. Have you provided any support to any political or religious group that is anti Israel? It is very easy to find out.
     
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  9. daviddenboer

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    Then why does my grand lodge not do business with prince halls? They are mostly black and when I started my EA in 2004 they did not even recognize them. As for social media contacts I am not worried at this point, heard the Freemasons were like rotary with business building in it. I have checked out other lodges and found people to be nice and cordial but I never understand the secrecy end.
     
  10. JamestheJust

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    >I never understand the secrecy end

    I suspect that secrecy is practiced just in case the brethren recover the genuine secrets. Imagine if the ancient "builders" knew how to use energy to move those immense stones we find in some constructions. What else might that power be able to accomplish?
     
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  11. Howard Giang

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    I am not a Mason, so I don’t know why Prince Hall Mason is recognized yet; however, if I am a Mason I would convince my Lodge to consider. Also, if I am a Mason, I would also save a Prince Hall Mason even if I might have to give up mine.
    You pointed out that there were nice Masons at different Lodge. I suggest you hang at that Lodge.
    I don’t know if Freemasonry is like Rotary with Business Building. I think there is no organization in this world can be compared to Freemasonry. I have not seen any organization that uniquely bonds men from various cultural backgrounds.
    One question: is Prince Hall also welcome other non-Black like Asian?
     
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  12. daviddenboer

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    Prince halls do have non black masters, some of there grand lodges can be mostly non black members. Wish you luck in transitioning into freemasonry, I am leaving that life style but like discussions on others experiences.

    As for james’s Reply, if you refer to the temple of set and amorc type Rosicrucians/non York rite then I am following you. Membership has declined in lodges world wide and to use this energy you speak of would require most humans to work together. As for Masonic brethren having these secrets it would not stem from their group but their original masters organizations.
     
  13. JamestheJust

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    >As for james’s Reply

    Masonic Science is much broader than I indicated. In 35 years in Masonry I have met only one brother that seemed serious about Masonic Science and he quit Masonry because the ritual was too flat.

    I have interviewed quite a number of elderly brethren and they all told me that the ritual is much less intense/powerful than when they were initiated. This seems to be a broader problem - affecting quite a range of overtly spiritual organizations.

    The tide is still going out on many social institutions and the replacement organizations are hard to find but will come.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-warrior-some-people-can-let-things-go-i-cant
     
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  14. Bloke

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    Hello Mr Giang. I know you read a lot, but the above is close to silly. Most Freemasons would regard prejudice and racism as a fault, and if pronounced, might well prohibit you from join but a man does not have to be perfect to be a Freemason. That said, I would say prejudice and racism are not consistent with the values of Freemasonry. The whole anti-Israel comment is silly. If it is an issue, it would be only because we do not talk politics and religion, and that's both - but by the same token, what people do in their private lives, as long as it is not illegal (with a few exceptions) is basically no business of Freemasonry.

    I suggest you stop giving advice to non-Freemasons.
     
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  15. Bloke

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    **groans**

    **Leaves thread**
     
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  16. Glen Cook

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    Grand Lodge of Texas is in amity with PHA Texas.
     
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  17. Howard Giang

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    Hi Bloke, you are right. I read a lot. One of the reasons is to improve on my English the other reason is to learn. Anyhow, I was speculating the OP predicament and drawn a conclusion based on what I read all of his posts. One of the possibilities to explain why he keeps getting black cubes from someone he doesn’t know. For example, if I were a voting member and don’t know him personally and if I have information about him on social media that is not inline with me, I might not vote or vote in favor.
    Having said that, I don’t think I gave advice, and I don’t think I can give advice yet because I am not a Mason and don’t have the knowledge or right to do so. I just explained to OP that that might be the reason why that he complained Freemasonry kept blackballed him. What do you think the reason?
    For example, I saw a lot of people had commented on Yahoo. Some of them, I would not want to be friend with just by reading their comments alone. There were some people lost their jobs from their comments. Some people used fake names and thought that they were anonymous. Anyhow, thought the OP might have used social media and got out of line without realizing it.
    Mason supposed to be an honorable man with good character. I want to be a Mason, do you have a problem with that?
    Good to talk to you Bloke.
     
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  18. daviddenboer

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    Does that means recognized and able to do business or just recognized? Also what is Masonic business outside of the states meetings that open on the first degree?
     
  19. jermy Bell

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    I would go straight to your grand lodge secretary and see what the story is.
     
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  20. Glen Cook

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    I don’t know the term “Masonic business.”
     
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