Clandestine Freemasons

Discussion in 'The Voting Booth' started by Blake Bowden, Sep 14, 2012.

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Should Clandestine Masons be banned from the site?

  1. Absolutely! Where's the ban hammer?

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  2. No, this is a public discussion forum

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  3. Ban them or I'll leave

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  4. Can't everyone just get along?

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  1. dizlwizl

    dizlwizl Premium Member

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    I was desperate back then to find a home with masonry that I trusted too easily, but when I was being challenged over in Tyler, TX where I live, I had no response. They didn't care if I made it to meetings or not most of the time, but when it came to money, I was first to know that I owed some. And I always wondered where the money went. And why I never got anything from them other than a Duncan my apron and a card. Then after talking with the real brothers I associate myself with, they made it clear and all I asked then was "how do I make this right". When I join ANYTHING I want to do it right. Now I am on my way. I am working on being healed soon, just waiting for my money to get better since my first child will be born soon. But it will happen next month. I have had the roughest time so far and I am excited to actually be able to start to enjoy being a mason. There is much to learn and being apart of this forum has helped me so much. I can't thank everyone enough

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  2. dizlwizl

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    Yup that's him. I know exactly who you were talking to. They all got mad when I left including him. He tried to tell me that I used him to gain information from them and that I am now clandestine to his lodge. And wondered when I would be coming to Dallas again and what lodge I am apart of now. It's too much for trying to do the right thing.

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  3. Bill Lins

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    Bro. Byron,

    The GLoT, like any other legitimate corporate entity, is duly chartered by the state of Texas. It was originally chartered by the Republic of Texas in 1845, then by the state of Texas in 1846, again in 1879, and again in 1900- the charter by which we currently operate. The text of all four charters is published in the front of our law book.
     
  4. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    I have heard tales of hazing being conducted by some clandestine Lodges. Does hazing occur in PHA Lodges?
     
  5. dizlwizl

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    From what I understand it doesn't. I have a few of my good friends who were raised a few months ago PHA and they said there wasn't any hazing.

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  6. dew_time

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    I am what you guys may call a candidate or a mason in waiting. My petition is out doing whatever petitions do after they are filled out and signed by 2 brothers. I had a lot of questions and a lot on my mind. Things like how long do I have to wait, what's it like being a brother of a lodge, what's next. I found this app on my phone and of course I had to install it. I found the answers to most of my questions, I've seen how you guys connect and I've seen true brotherhood even when the topics were a little touchy. Though I still have no idea what goes on at the lodge or what to expect as my journey begin. My point.. if you kick clandies out you will have to kick non masons out and if you did that guys like me would have no one to turn too beside the crap that random websites, history channel and youtube has to offer. I for one don't trust information unless it comes from the source.

    Thank you for being here!!
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  7. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    How does that work?
     
  8. WestTXFreemason

    WestTXFreemason Registered User

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    I waited 2 months for my final interview! After being accepted, it was all uphill! The FCs and MMs are awesome and they treat you like family. Best group I've ever been apart of!

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  9. bupton52

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    I apologize, I wasnt very clear in my post. A charter to operate as a legitimate corporate entity registered with the State is understandable. When they refer to a charter it is comparable to a subordibate lodge charter. Basically, they are acknowledging that the State has authorized them to operate masonically. No lineage to the mother GLs required. Just file paperwork with the state and poof!

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  10. dfreybur

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    No. The PHA degrees I have attended in a few states are very much like degrees in any other regular and recognized jurisdictions. Details vary as always from jurisdiction to jurisdiction but there is no hazing.
     
  11. bupton52

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    Hazing will get you in big trouble. BIG trouble!
     
  12. dfreybur

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    The same is true in my jurisdictions as well. But what matters is the regular practice and lineage of the lodges that formed the GL and the declarations of recognition granted by other GLs in response to when it was formed. The forming lodges turn in their charters to their parent GLs and new charters are written from the new GL they just formed. Thus no regular GL has a Masonic charter as such. Even the original charter for African 459 is a lodge charter not a GL charter.

    I've seen GLs formed in Alaska and Hawaii once the number of lodges there reached critical mass and they decided to get together and form their own GL. Once they formed their own GL they sent out requests for recognition to many older GLs. The requests were granted provisionally by various sitting GMs then ratified at various annual GL communications.
     
  13. dfreybur

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    Lodges mostly have 1-2 meetings per month where petitions can be handled. Say you submit your petition the day after the monthly meeting. One month until it is read and an investigating committee assigned. Say there's trouble meeting at your home so it takes an extra month. That's a worst case of 3 months between petition and ballot, best case of 1 month. Then anywhere from a week to a couple of months before your degree is scheduled.

    You should be welcomed and treated with respect but plenty of patience will be needed.
     
  14. dew_time

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    I'm a 38... I have wanted to be a brother since I was 12 and was ushered out of my grandfathers funeral so the masons could do their ceremony for him in private. I never petitioned before this because I wasn't ready. Time is all I have until my time is up :)
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  15. AnthonyPomilia357

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    Very glad that you found the true light, brother! I was almost tricked into a clandestine lodge. There were biweekly dues of $35, the man claimed that it was a secret society, told me that I can drink lots of beer underage with them, claimed that they have "the 8 hidden books of The Holy Bible"....I could go on and on. So anyways, it sounded fishy so I talked to a Kentucky mason about what he had said. That Kentucky brother saved me from entering darkness. Brother Darrell Waddell, you're a savior!


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  16. dfreybur

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    I find that very bizarre. Our funeral ceremony is intended to be public to my knowledge. Every masonic funeral I have attended has been open. Maybe the family asked for the ceremony to be conducted privately. My wife knows mine should be open.

    Active Masons tend to go to plenty of funerals -

    In time you will have been to at least one with so many in attendance they run out of aprons and gloves and the brethren have to assemble in several rows. A funeral for a brother it seemed like everyone in the state knew him and he loved us all like his own children. Everyone telling stories of how the brother touched our lives making the event a short of going away party and living thank you card for his activities in life.

    In time you will have been to at least one where there are only 5 in attendance. The 3 brothers from lodge who are the minimum needed for the ceremony. The dead brother who's from out of town who you never met before. His widow staring amazed that a group of strangers would be there to do this to say goodbye to a brother they'd never met in person. A funeral for a brother who was a stranger because there's no secret method to how we treat each other as kin we Just Do It. There are secrets that can be published in books but we've still promised to not discuss them with non-members. There are also secrets we could shout from the rooftops and they remain secret because they are about what we do. Those Masonic funerals that are only for the widow delve deeply into that second type. It's one of the things our mystic tie is about.

    And most of us are still brothers the day we die. Exactly.
     
  17. dew_time

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    My gma past before my gpa and there was only about 5 masons including my uncle if my memory serves me correct. The showed up, did their thing and left. I asked my mom what was going and she said she didn't know but it what gpa wanted.


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  18. dizlwizl

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    Not that I have heard.

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  19. dizlwizl

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    At least not where I'm going

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  20. Heart of Stone

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    No hazing in the PH lodges in Chattanooga Tn.

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