Dagger related to the Free Mason Help needed

[web-boss]

Hello i hope i come to the rigth place i search for information on this Dagger the symbols on the blade look like free Mason symbols to me any help is welcome . Thank you

 

[Winter]

Interesting find. I'm not sure I see anything overtly Masonic on it other than the Square and Compass. And the addition there of what looks like might be a hammer or pick, makes me wonder if it might be from one of the labor unions like the Junior Order United American Mechanics (JOUAM) from the late 1800s, whose symbols are often mistaken as Masonic. The shield shape below that I guess could possibly be a plumb line? Hopefully others here can shed more light on it.

 

[web-boss]

dear Winter thank you for youre help i forgotten to mention its origin i bougth this in switzerland so there could easy be a european even french revolution background
i also think its late 1800s by the making of the dagger leets see what other members suggest thank you

 

[Winter]

Thanks. That might shed more light on its origins. Unfortunately I am not well versed in 19th century Swiss organizations.

 

[web-boss]

i found one of the symbols on the knife on the print above see arrow on the left upper half

 

[Winter]

Close. That's a Level. I believe the emblem on the dagger is a plumbline, represented on that picture on the right side under the open compases. The long rectangle. I'm coming to this conclusion solely because the weight extends below the base which would not work on a level but would on a plumbline.

 

[web-boss]

oic i remember that here in switzerland all workman handcrafters like carpenthers and masons had been in a kind of organisation brotherhood called "Zunft" in german ,i guess kind of early free masons

 

[Bloke]

Interesting find. I'm not sure I see anything overtly Masonic on it other than the Square and Compass. And the addition there of what looks like might be a hammer or pick, makes me wonder if it might be from one of the labor unions like the Junior Order United American Mechanics (JOUAM) from the late 1800s, whose symbols are often mistaken as Masonic. The shield shape below that I guess could possibly be a plumb line? Hopefully others here can shed more light on it.

More - in the damage section closer to the hilt, there seems something which looks like a pair of pliers.

My jury is out... the Compasses (in unusual configuration) I spent a bit of time looking at.. wondering if the item to the left was pruning shears... probably not....

All I could say is it is a decorated dagger with a compasses and possible a level which might also be a shield.. but given the assumed configuration of other symbols.. possibly a level..

The most definitive statement I wold make is "dagger decorated with symbols",

I know that's not much help @web-boss but more helpful than jumping to a conclusion.

@Winter - did you notice the banner and possible spear in the 6th photo ? A trade fraternity or just a decorated commemorative or group dagger would be my next guess.

 

[Winter]

@Winter - did you notice the banner and possible spear in the 6th photo ? A trade fraternity or just a decorated commemorative or group dagger would be my next guess.

Trade fraternity was my best guess as well. But could.just as likely.be a Masonic item from a rite I am not familiar with.