Is it possible that there really is a Lost Word?

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  1. Pointwithinacircle3

    Pointwithinacircle3 Registered User

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    Where does one learn why?
     
  2. Warrior1256

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    This is all too deep for me,lol.
     
  3. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Great Question! The particulars of "The Master's Word" are provided within the third degree ritual.

    1) What were the three Ruffians looking for from HA?
    2) Why did they want it?
    3) What did it allow them to do?
    4) How did it benefit them?
    5) Why could HA not hand it over to them?
    6) What qualities did it have which made it impossible for him to hand it over to them?
    7) What qualities were lacking in the Ruffians that made it impossible for them to have it?
    8) What qualities must you possess for you to have it for yourself such that you could benefit and do so without the aid of others?
    9) How does one go about developing those qualities?
    10) Why is it impossible to say or write it?
     
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  5. bupton52

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    Coach always gets me thinking!


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  6. JamestheJust

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    And how was it that with 3 GMs on site three ruffians were passed to FC?

    There is more than meets the eye in that story.
     
  7. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    That's my reason for existing, at times ;-)
     
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  8. JohnXRV

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    But as the 3rd Degree involves the encounter between HA and the ruffians and the after events, none of those elements can be what the ruffians were seeking BECAUSE THEY HADN'T HAPPENED YET!!!

    Bloody confusing
     
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  9. JamestheJust

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    There is an account that the worldly possessions that the ruffians wished to bring into the temple were their psychic skills.
     
  10. Warrior1256

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    Surely haven't heard this one before!
     
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  11. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    LOL! You have to have psychic skills ;-)
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    I guess so! Lol!
     
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  13. Pointwithinacircle3

    Pointwithinacircle3 Registered User

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    Interesting questions. These answers are more for me to organize my thoughts than to educate others.
    The Masters Word
    They wanted Power
    Travel in foreign countries, or allegorically, to know that which was beyond their grasp.
    That they might receive a Masters Wages, or allegorically, gain that which was otherwise unattainable to them.
    It was beyond their comprehension.
    I'm going with Wisdom, Strength, and Beauty for all of these questions.
    If you will allow me to quote from another tradition; To Know, To Will, To Dare, and of course the fourth part so well exemplified by HA, To Keep Silent.
    Knowing, Willing, and Daring are not verbalizable. Neither is Keeping Silent which, come to think of it, could be allegorically represented as a place of darkness.
     
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  14. JohnXRV

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    Thanks Pointwithinacircle3 for shedding some light on this

    John
     
  15. hanzosbm

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    First of all, without being able to travel back in time and speak with whomever created YOUR version of the third degree legend (and I say that because there are many different versions), you can never know what the symbolism is/was.
    You can ponder it (which MIGHT be the entire point), you can read other people's ideas, you can ignore it, or anything in between. But I think it's important to remember that there is no "correct" answer that any of us can find.
     
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  16. Warrior1256

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    Agreed.
    Very true.
     
  17. Pointwithinacircle3

    Pointwithinacircle3 Registered User

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    My favorite quote is "Words are symbols which point towards concepts arranged in patterns to communicate meaning". If this definition is correct it could be suggested that the Lost Word is a symbol which points the mind toward a concept (perhaps a lost concept?). And since it con only be communicated in the presence of three people it might be suggested that the pattern of the communication caused one to arrive a certain meaning.
     
  18. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    However, the drama is an allegory and any personification portrayed within this allegory is not a person; it is a concept, ideal, moral quality or other abstraction.

    In other words, it is not in the presence of three people.
     
  19. Bevan Jones

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    When one travels from East to West on the Temple Mount you go from the Temple of Solomon to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. The Templars were indeed travelling to the West to search for that which was lost.... Skip ahead to 1813 and the whole Masonic battle about whether to include the Royal Arch degree as part of core Freemasonry or not. All because of a 3 part word that made some uncomfortable. There's history and there's politics to our ritual today. But elements still exist that hark back to hermetic legend. The Master in the E, JW in the S and SW in W. To the Egyptians, Horus was the rising sun, Ra the noon day Sun, and Osiris the setting sun. Our ancient Bro Pythagorus stumbled upon the immortality of the soul, aside from some nice geometric theorems. As modern day Sapiens we can appreciate all of this and realise that just perhaps, the Lost Word is not really needed anymore. We have evolved to realise that the GAOTU is universal and we should all hold hands and work together to save this planet. As the Templar's Sufi helpers said, "You may have the Cross, but we have the meaning of the Cross".
     
  20. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Yea... or we could collectively realize The Word is just a metaphor for that skill development and experience that makes a man Masterful.
     

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