Observe Freemasonry

Discussion in 'Becoming a Freemason' started by °Joel, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    <coach sits back and braces himself...>
    <sigh> what on God's green earth could you possibly be afraid of?!?!?!
    Yes. However, it'd be outside an open lodge and not as boring. ;-)

    You'd likely have seen freemasons working all around you but haven't noticed.
    And likely some of them were freemasons working, just as you desired, perhaps right beside you MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
    Record yourself for 24 hours and watch the recording. It's likely that 100% of what you do as a human being is what you'd see freemasons doing, except for the private plays they engage in, all else is mainstream.
    See! Already!...

    BTW - If you're surrounded already, then your request is a plot. You already have what you claim you seek: Watching freemasons working.
    By who?
    Accept WHAT with blind faith?!?!?!
    No, but it does come across like you're seeding the conversational soil with weeds of deception.
     
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  2. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Lol!!! The biting wit of coachn strikes again!
     
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  3. jermy Bell

    jermy Bell Registered User

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    You must submit a written request of your request in triplicate to the over seers the lizard people. Then you must wait a minimum of 4-5 Galactic weeks for a reply. Most refusals are non negotiable.
    All hail zook zook !
     
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  4. David612

    David612 Registered User

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    Best information in the thread thus far 10/10
     
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  5. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    LOL!!!! Great!!!
     
  6. Matt1

    Matt1 Registered User

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    Not to encourage "observing" but there was a non-mason, late mr Harri Heino, dr. theol, who was granted the right to observe.

    It had been suggested that no minister of the Church should join the freemasons. The idea was to convince the Church of Finland that there is nothing in Freemasonry that would be in contrast with Christianity or the Church.

    There wasn't, and the ministers were de free to attend freemasonry if they wanted. Dr Heino conluded that the masons were, in fact, active churchgoers.

    Almost 70% of Finns are members of the Evangelic Lutheran Church of Finland, so it was quite important to root out any distrust.

    Edit: https://www.amazon.com/What-does-Finnish-Freemason-believe/dp/9516932061 , currently unavailable
     
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  7. Elexir

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    We had such an thing happening here in Sweden. Some ministers field complaints to the church of Sweden. I dont know if they observed but they where given acess to rituals and came to the conclusion that it was no problem.

    Its espacily important for the swedish rite as there are certain offices that are meant only for priests and the likes.
     
  8. Luigi Visentin

    Luigi Visentin Registered User

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    The ancient Charges foresaw that non-mason, particularly sheriffs and high dignitaries of the town, could be invited, particularly in case of possibile disorders, to observe workings. I do not think that it has been done from 1717 till today as with the modern Freemasonry, there should not be "disorders" anymore. As I have written, works are not a show.
     
  9. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    My experience is that Freemasonry can very much be a show.
     
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  10. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    When the performance is for show, the actors reveal their true character.
     
  11. Luigi Visentin

    Luigi Visentin Registered User

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    In another sense you are fully right! :D:D:D But not in the sense of the initial request at the root of this post.
     
  12. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    As in observe? What about public installation ceremonies, public masonic funerals, and public cornerstone ceremonies?
     
  13. Luigi Visentin

    Luigi Visentin Registered User

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    It would be a good thing but public ceremonies are not common in Italy. Mainly the events open to public are conferences or concerts. Non Masons can usually attend open dinners when invited by Brothers.
    This is what I have experienced till now. Our Grand Master is trying to wide the occasions to let people know us better, in order to fight the fake news sorrounding us. However the pressure is high. A few months ago, for example, a High School in Rome has organized a meeting with a local Lodge to know something more about Freemasonry. The meeting has been held but there have been protests on many newspapers before and after the meeting.
     
  14. TheThumbPuppy

    TheThumbPuppy Registered User

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    Italy is a rather problematic country to raise the profile of Freemasonry. I'm thinking for example of the P2 lodge and the Vatican's long-standing anti-masonic position.
     
  15. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Yes, having been in meetings with the GOI GM, I’m well aware of the issues there. However, your comment wasn’t limited to Italian Freemasonry. It is parlous to make a general comment regarding Freemasonry worldwide .
     
  16. Luigi Visentin

    Luigi Visentin Registered User

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    I was referring to Freemasonry in a broad sense, not referred to its "implementation". Likely I have translated my thoughs in a wrong way.
     
  17. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    To the contrary. You specifically used the very narrow example of Italian Freemasonry to argue your point.
     
  18. Luigi Visentin

    Luigi Visentin Registered User

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    Likely I'm still having problem with translation. My reference to Italian Freemasonry was referred to your reference to public events. I will use better the quoting next time.
     

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