Ressam is a profane. Got him on ignore but the emails will still show the posts.
Bro., it's a long thread and admittedly I have not been following. To what new information do you refer?@coachn What do you think of this new information?
Bro., it's a long thread and admittedly I have not been following. To what new information do you refer?
First thoughts: I'd like to see what is written in "Warrant No. 459", if only out of curiosity.Look at post #6 on page 1. Brother Hairston has written a book documenting that some key dates for PHA Masonry are wrong.
And just a side question: Why would the original poster get this thread started with two questions that he appears to have already had answered for himself?
Ah! Makes sense. Thanks. I've done that myself quite a few times. How's the research coming along?@coachn
The answer is: Because the original poster was getting other people's opinions and why they held them.
Thats called racism not white privilege. And ive been told by PHA masons that it works the other way too.... that they know a white man would get blackballed in their lodge.Well, I can tell you this. You are free to petition any state grand lodge and not worry about being blackballed because of the color of your skin. I have to drive almost 90 minutes to get to my lodge on meeting nights. There are many lodges that are closer including about 5 within a 10 mile radius of my house.
Right before I was initiated, I sold a riding lawn mower through one of local buy/sell/trade Facebook groups. The gentleman that eventually bought it was an older Caucasian man. When he came to look at it, I knew he was a freemason cause he was wearing a hat with the Square & Compasses. I told him I was going to be initiated next week. He told me what lodge he belonged to. It was local and one I thought about petitioning. I told him I had concerns if I petitioned. Surprisingly, he admitted that there were still some members of that lodge where race would be an issue. It confirmed to me that I made the right decision.
Thats called racism not white privilege. And ive been told by PHA masons that it works the other way too.... that they know a white man would get blackballed in their lodge.
By saying "white" privlige your saying that just hy being white ima get something. No...not true. In fact i was once profiled in Fayetteville, nc by a WHITE cop. I had gotten lost(had only been stationed there for about 3 days) amd was trying to get back to base and got pulled over. He conducted a felony trafgic stop on me...thats where they get outta the car, guns drawn using the PA system to walk you back to them....handcuffed me and searched my car with our saying a word to me. And i didnt say or argue with him as i knew i hant done anything wrong.... Once they didnt find anything in my car he asked me what i was doing where i was. I told him i had just gottem stationed at Ft Bragg as a Military Policeman and was trying to get back to base. I then asked him why i was stopped. He laughed amd said cause ur white. Only time white people come to this neighborhood is to buy girls or drugs. He took the cuffs off and told me how to get back to post.
Call it white privilge if u want cause i got let go with out getting beat i call it "cause I was respectful and didnt argue or question i just did as i was told."
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You had me right up untill then. Im done. White privilege? Really?
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That remains to be seen... but he might have just made omissions or not included all the facts.. he mighta been thinking like a salesperson or lawyer who really needed to get a warrant......So when PH sent that letter to England he purposely remitted facts about how he and other members were MADE Masons? He lied. He lied for the purpose of getting a Warrent. So the history of PHA was fabricated amd the truth was a lie? Hmmm.....I agree with you @Bloke at least these issues are being raised by PHA member amd not from.wothout
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That's probably best my brother I don't want to get into an argument that cannot be won by either side
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Fayetteville
That remains to be seen... but he might have just made omissions or not included all the facts.. he mighta been thinking like a salesperson or lawyer who really needed to get a warrant......
@Bloke
You hit the nail on the head. This was my point. We have to understand the historical context to understand the actions of Prince Hall.
Yes, Prince Hall omitted John Batt and his conferral of the degrees on African Lodge, it could have cost them their charter.
So he at best purposefully mislead@Bloke
You hit the nail on the head. This was my point. We have to understand the historical context to understand the actions of Prince Hall.
Yes, Prince Hall omitted John Batt and his conferral of the degrees on African Lodge, it could have cost them their charter.
So he at best purposefully mislead