Regarding PHA members

Discussion in 'Becoming a Prince Hall Freemason' started by AnthonyPomilia357, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. tldubb

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    What I asked about where he hailed from is Masonic and his Grandmother is Masonic. Protocol is if a strange "brother" is wanting you must be polite and let him know that he is wanting and relieve so he can make the appropriate corrections. What I asked Nat Geo is a simple as reading my reply completely. I like the communication and the sharing of ideals. But I'm always weary of haters and people who would see our brotherhood turn to dust. PHamly has lasted against all odds. It is one of most preeminent organizations in AA/Black community. A matter of fact in the history of us all as Americans! I love Masonry. I'm in Love with Prince Hall Masonry.
    I'm always in search of truth and more light in this noble order. God Bless!

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  2. Nat Geo 357

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    I could have giving the standard reply of the lodge I hail from and the number of lodge if you would have asked how old and also I could have giving you the Grand Lodge as my Grand Mother. But what would that prove ? Again it is very rare that it is used in my jurisdiction. I am more concerned with the current issues of the day. And I love Masonry PHA, F&AM, AF&AM ,AFM. That is where I am at. I will not stagnate my growth and light because I refuse to look and search all valid and legit education. Like one of the current issues is the split between AAONMS and The Grand Lodge. That should be an area of real concern for all Master Masons. Inside of that word is A Mason. These are the type things that I spend my time on, And also I spend countless hours researching Freemasonry from the past.i have over 500 Masonic books in my private library. So I am very passionate about our Craft. Again I never try to insult anyone and if my words have done that I apologize. True Masonry is a direct descendant and a survivalist of The Mystery System. This I know without a doubt. So when I see us as a group pigeon hole ourselves I become extremely concerned.


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  3. solomon1979

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    I agree with nat geo here. What keeps us divided is how we label our lodges and our selves. We meet on the level and part on the square. Its what we do and how we act in between those times that makes us. "If we don't hang together we will hang separately." (Ben Franklin) Also if you don't study history you will be bound to it by repeating mistakes already made.


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  4. tldubb

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    Mystery System... Do you know what the Socratic imperatives are?


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  5. Nat Geo 357

    Nat Geo 357 Registered User

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    The So called Socratic imperatives are nothing more then knowledge and theory that was stolen by Alexander and taking back to Greece. It is a very good book that you may find interesting called Stolen Legacy.


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  6. Nat Geo 357

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    The thing that so many fail to realize is that during the time of Socrates and Hippocrates and so forth. Greece was in direct conflict of philosophy. Matter of fact they were putting them to death in alarming numbers. There is no way that all the works that are attributed to these men could have ever happened. The truth is Alexander ransacked the African Coptic libraries yes Africa because Egypt was and still is part of Africa and the so called Greek great thinkers just applied their name to them. It was the largest display of plagiarism that the world has ever saw.


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  7. Fen357

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    Wow, my question is to the OES sister! Very good by the way telling that brother to be caution. Sad that none of the brothers here caught that. Smh??? My question to you is; who told you; you hail??? And where are you hailing from????


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  8. BryanMaloney

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    If you are going to spout outre conspiracy theories, try to pick one that has a less garbled and incomprehensible timeline behind it. To claim that the acts of Alexander had anything at all to do with the Copts is bizarre, as Copts as such did not exist until the Roman era, well after Alexander--the Copts are the heirs of multiple cultural streams. Likewise, to claim that Socrates had anything to do with Alexander is equally as bizarre, since Socrates was about a century before Alexander. Regarding Greece (actually Achaea) putting philosphers to death in enormous numbers--no reliable evidence of this exists. Socrates was tried and executed because of his connections to a political collaborator with Sparta. Hippocrates is only credited with a few works, the rest of the "Hippocratic Collection" are considered by professional scholars to have been written by others and attributed to him--this is very well known. Socrates does not have a single work credited to him. He only appears as a character in others' works, most particularly those of Plato, and Plato is too well documented by contemporaries to have been a fictional character.

    Conspiracy theory is entertaining, but it is almost never actually history.
     
  9. Jamarr/G\

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    Preach it brother!


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  10. Nat Geo 357

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    Great addition and great information shared. I stand corrected and appreciate the knowledge. That is one of the wonderful things about open conversation always a chance to be educated and to add to the educational tool box. Again thank you for the corrections they are greatly appreciated.


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  11. Nat Geo 357

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    I also don't put any weight behind any so called conspiracies that people talk about. Everything comes out in the wash because there will always be someone that has just a little bit more to add and clear it all up. Or at least start the process of clearing it up.


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  12. Jamarr/G\

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    That is right! After it's all said and done we will forever meet on the level act on the plumb and part on the square!
    Continue to travel li/G\ht brothers!

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  13. tldubb

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    Out of Philly.
     
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    This is a lesson that Nat Geo and whoever else agree with him should do some research because they should study philosophy. Ok, lets begin Philos: Love or affection for. Sophus/is: Knowledge or wisdom.
    Philosophy- the love of knowledge or wisdom. Ok, next the Socratic Task: To arouse in others a love of truth & virtue.(quality of excellence).

    The Socratic Imperative is this:

    1. To make our ideas Clear
    2. Know the real meaning of the terms you use
    3. Know exactly what we are talking about

    Nat Geo and the others who cosign to his mystical system...open up a book.

    PS the Socratic Method- Questions and cross examination proof & testing= prove your assertions!
     
  15. tldubb

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    This is a lesson that Nat Geo and whoever else agree with him should do some research because they should study philosophy. Ok, lets begin Philos: Love or affection for. Sophus/is: Knowledge or wisdom.
    Philosophy- the love of knowledge or wisdom. Ok, next the Socratic Task: To arouse in others a love of truth & virtue.(quality of excellence).

    The Socratic Imperative is this:

    1. To make our ideas Clear
    2. Know the real meaning of the terms you use
    3. Know exactly what we are talking about

    Nat Geo and the others who cosign to his mystical system...open up a book.

    PS the Socratic Method- Questions and cross examination proof & testing= prove your assertions!
     
  16. tldubb

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    Remember Parmenides/Heraclitus/Pythagarus.

    The Miliesian School first organized school of Ancient Greek Philosophy.
    But also remember what the Egyptians said when first contacted by Greeks due to trading. What children are they, meaning their knowledge of things. But this was not to last because the Greeks. Asked the questions as to why search for truth, virtue and understanding of life. Knowledge does not come from one source and/or does any group of people have a monopoly on any such things. Nat Geo, you state you study ancient text's. I've have always read between the lines and using the Socratic Method.
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  17. Nat Geo 357

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    Tldubb you make some very good points indeed. But this is not a Nat Geo issue the simple question is explain to me why do we have relics and data from Cush, Kemet, Abyssinia/ Ethiopia showing that they clearly was doing what you call Freemasonry today or Speculative Masonry for others and those people above predates so called modern masonry by 3000-3500 years. So again when I say I study ancient text I was also speaking way before your hero Socrates.


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  18. Nat Geo 357

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    So it could be a mystery to you while it is clear as day to others. Somehow somewhere we lose the basic idea that the Masonic journey is a very personal one and may take you to many places that you never thought you would go. But out of discourse comes more light and education. Only the fool gains nothing from healthy debate. A grown man or grown woman will search and find out truth. But always remember what a person believes to be true will be that persons truth. No matter how much light is shown. Especially if that person has built their entire debate credentials on those truths. Change is the hardest thing for man to except even when it predates him by 4 to 5 thousand years. Respect to all Travel Light.


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  19. tldubb

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    It's not a mystery I'm just using you confused what you called "mystery system". Do you know what you are talking about, or your just googling for information?


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  20. tldubb

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    Nat Geo, I know my history but I'm going by what you called and or referred by your "own" reading ancient text referring to PHA as clandestine! You seem like the type of person to read something and only take out what is beneficial to your point of view. I have no contention with you per se. But I do have a problem with you calling Prince Hall Clandestine.

    The Cush and other things you stated is fine and to a point true. But I find you lacking, in true substance. What books have you read that called PHA clandestine? The books you stated you read that we're written in the 19th and 20th century(1800-1900's). Socratis and Pythagorus sought truth. Pythagoras found it in numbers and math. The true language of our creator as taught to him by ancient Numbia/Egyptian culture. Neither Socratis or any other is my hero is my creator is my ultimate hero. I venerate men of Truth and Wisdom from KS, KHT, and GMHA..etc


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