No, just facts.
Some but certainly not all.
No, just facts.
By quorum do you mean African Lodge No. 459B and Hiram Lodge? They were never considered regular by the UGLE
Then why did the UGLE deny recognition only six years before the 1994 ruling?
Just because the UGLE and other Grand Lodges decide to modify and ignore longstanding Standards of Recognition does not mean that other Grand Lodges have to do the same.
Actually, you canAre you referring to me and my grand lodge or is that just a statement in general? The main issue is recognition. You can have a recognition agreement without visitation.
Think of Cuba. It meets the requirements for recognition as a nation state, just as PHA meets the requirements of Masonic regularity. However, until recently, U.S. Citizens were (largely) prevented from visiting there.Yes I understand that, but if Prince Hall is regular then how would that be violating the ob.
Actually, you can
it was probably about allowing US jurisdictions work their principle of exclusive jurisdiction.
The best reason - A couple of years ago the MWGM of the MWPHGLofAR issued an edict recognizing all GLofXX that recognize MWPHGLofXX. Since then recognizing MWPHGLofAR is returning a favor already granted.
So I am suggesting that MWPHGLofAR be recognized in spite of lack of local recognition. Then if GLofAR or any other GLofXX pulls recognition for it, laugh at them. It happened before when GLofCT recognized MWPHGLofCT so it should work again.
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You can sponsor legislation in your Grand Lodge to change this. Your Grand Lodge, commendably, over rode the grandmaster in his exclusion of various religious beliefs. It can make this gesture of inclusion as wellWhat do you want? Florida don't recognize prince hall. Get over it. Worry about bettering yourself and your lodge. Focus on positive and not negative.
Im not worrying about prince hall recognizing me. I don't care.
Wish it wasn't that way but what can i do?
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And I'm sure every regular Freemason on this list agrees. That is not the issue. The issue is why a GL does not recognize its PHA counterpart, which now places it in the minority of CGMNA GLsThe only lodge ill sit in is lodges recognized by my home lodge. I abide by all the laws, rules regulations of my grand lodge.
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This really would be problematic with the other CGMNA GLs and the doctrine of ETJ. It could, indeed, start a recognition war. I support the doctrine as a system of governing the fraternity, but it can lead to inappropriate results.
Tired of always hearing and every topic turn into a race thing.
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Perhaps our is time we stopped believing that racists are the "other guys" and began defining what we are actually talking about.
I will say this though, I'm not one to just post this topic on this forum and not try and make a change myself. I have a friend that is a white a guy and he's been asking me for a while if I could help him petition the lodge I'm in. I'm in the process right now of breaking a barrier in my own lodge. Although Prince Hall Masonry allows men from all walks of life regardless of race, it has never happened in my lodge. Not because we don't allow it, but we have never had a white guy want to join our lodge that I know of. There may be some brothers that oppose the idea, but progress will never happen if we don't try.
I was initiated, passed, and raised Prince Hall Affiliated in Ohio. There were white members of my PHA lodge, however, I was never invited to sit in fellowship with white Freemasons under the GL of OH. Then I moved to PA where I experienced such harmony between PHA and GL of PA that I was created a noble of AAONMS. I recently moved back to Ohio and attended a shrine event with my family; I was the only black noble in the Temple. I was greeted at the entrance as if I had wondered across the parking lot and were attempting to unlawfully gain access to the Temple. No one ever tried me or requested to see my dues card. The message was clear to me. Black Freemasons in Ohio belong in PHA. My wife was so uncomfortable she asked that we not return to the Temple...ever again. Call racism on both sides if you choose.
That is unfortunate. I recently joined the Shrine at the Imperial Session in Houston. The person who mentored me was a Shriner and he would often ask me to come to the meetings. He asked me to go to some of the Shrine events when I was just an EA. I did have concerns but he assured me it wouldn't be an issue. I was somewhat uncomfortable at the first event but everyone was nice. So I kept going to their monthly meetings until I got raised. It is not even an issue anymore. I had to get out of my comfort zone though. My only problem now is that the building is so far away from where I live.
I was impressed that they have always made me feel welcome.