Turning in Proficiency

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  1. Bro. A

    Bro. A Registered User

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    Greetings Brothers,
    I would like your thoughts on this...
    Two candidates are initiated on the same night. They are assigned an instructor to begin studying their work. Now it's time to turn in proficiency... Do you let them "tag team" in answering the questions or do you have them turn in their own proficiency one at a time?
     
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  2. Thomas Stright

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    One at a time.... Each needs to stand on his own.
     
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  3. Bro. A

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    I agree with that 100%. I feel as if you're "tag teaming " you're only doing 50% of the work in the quarry. That's just my opinion.
     
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  4. acjohnson53

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    To keep it short and sweet I prefer the tag team, simply because they have been instructed by their mentor (normally)the Junior Warden...and if they are sharp...


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  5. Bro. A

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  6. Schuetz

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    An interesting idea would have one do the questions and the other answer, and then swap and start again. THAT would be some proficiency.

    Quentin E. L. Schuetz, M.M.
    Shekinah Lodge No. 241 • IL
    Murphysboro Lodge No. 498 • IL
     
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  7. Brother JC

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    I doubt either of my US lodges would do a tag team.
     
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  8. Bro. A

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  9. Bro. A

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    I don't think it should be allowed.
     
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  10. Garth H

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    They have to learn the whole things regardless, as our instructor instructed my partner and I, we didn’t know who was going first until we sat down in that chair and he would then look at whoever was going to get the first question, from there you then have to know what questions you’ll be responsible for, yeah you’re doing “half the work” but you still have to know all the knowledge of the entire proficiency.


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  11. CLewey44

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    Typically it's one on one, but one of my degrees (EA I believe) was done in that manner. We were very proficient in it and both had to do the 'ftm prm and swr' individually. With that being said, I think it should pretty much always be done one-on-one but the only perk of doing it double time would be if you had two, three or especially four FCs showing up on the same night and then the members having to sit there for an extra 30 mins to an hour listening to the cat lecture. Does that make it acceptable, not really and again, I agree it should be one-on-one.

    The biggest issues I see with proficiency/categorical lecture is not the above mentioned but more of the fact that pretty much no matter what, a guys is basically 100% of the time voted proficient. I've never seen anyone get voted down no matter how terrible or painful it was to sit there and listen to. Everyone makes mistakes and should not be expected perfection but I've seen guys get prompted and basically repeat back everything the questioner was saying to then ultimately getting voted as 'proficient'. I guess proficient in parroting. People are afraid to be the bearer of bad news or make a decision that effects others like saying 'you can't progress within the Craft'. It's a tough decision but needs to be done more often. If two guys are up there nailing it like clockwork and making very few to no mistakes, I'd say they are more proficient than the guy that does it by himself and staggers through the entire thing. it's also challenging to get out of a rhythm with it and stay on track. When you learn the whole thing vs. skipping around from question to question, it's can be more difficult in some ways.
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    Exactly! So even if you "tag team" each candidate still has to memorize the whole proficiency.
     
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  13. Bro. A

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    Brothers, I get what both of you are saying but i still don't agree with it. Yes, it's good to have a partner/partners to study with, no issue there. But like i said before, its like going before a board for military promotion. You're in front of a panel and that panel is there to grade/vote on you as an individual to see if you're ready that next level. I mean that's how I look at it. And this is how I feel about it for myself...
    Knowing that YOU walked into that room and knocked out that "proficiency" or "board" on your own is a great accomplishment.
    But good conversation brothers.
     
  14. Warrior1256

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    I understand what you are saying. I did my proficiency alone. However, I would not feel any less accomplished if I had "tag teamed" with another Brother.
    For Sure! Good interacting with you.
     
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  15. Bro. A

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    I hear you my brother. Glad we can all talk like men and no one is getting bent out of shape. I'd rather be on here than on FB or Twitter lol.
     
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  16. acjohnson53

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    It happened to me when I was raised, but we had 7 Brothers on my Cable Tow
     
  17. Bro. A

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    Wow! That's alot my brother.
     
  18. chrmc

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    I doubt that they would necessarily be ready at the same time, but as most people say the lodges would probably do them seperately.

    However, interestingly enough, the various exams for Ritual Certificates are usually done "Round Robin" style as far as I know. So it is something that we see. But this is of course very different than a proficiency turn in.
     
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  19. Warrior1256

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    Agreed!
     
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  20. Thomas Stright

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    So much for a personal experience...
     
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