Veterans Administration Head Stones

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  1. XUSMICO

    XUSMICO Registered User

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    Do we, as Masons for the ability to petition the VA to include the S&C to the list of approved religious markers on VA head stones? Are their any Brothers in elected office who can help push this through? I am currently approved for a marker but to be buried in a VA plot as I do not have the money for a private plot. Even in a private plot, I could only have a Masonic marker at the foot of my plot and that too would add to the cost of the plot.

    Any Brother have any info on how to proceed?
     
  2. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    The symbols on veteran markers are specifically Emblems of Belief. As Masonry so stringently claims to NOT be a religion it seems counterintuitive to lobby for such an addition to the list.
     
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  3. Bloke

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    Are any civic organizations included in the scheme ?
     
  4. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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  5. Bloke

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    Well.. you'd better start "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster of the East in Lodge" with the S&Q as its emblem..... want me to sign up ?
    "A non-denominational, non religious spiritual community united together by a common Belief in a Supreme Being though an initiatory experience"
    :)
     
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  6. Pointwithinacircle3

    Pointwithinacircle3 Registered User

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    The actual Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster might not like that. https://www.spaghettimonster.org/

     
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  7. XUSMICO

    XUSMICO Registered User

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    If atheists and vikings can have a place, then one who believes in one almighty GOD regardless of the path to their heaven then why why not? Correct, Masonry is not a religion but neither is atheistism, and they have a mark. Then again the PC police will back them up
     
  8. JanneProeliator

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    If you are Knights Templar it seems that you can have that symbol on your stone.
     
  9. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    If you click the link supplied you’ll note “#16; Atheist” is no longer there.


    The image that you are referring to, while used by the KT, is shown as the emblem of a specific sect and has nothing to do with that organization.
     
  10. JanneProeliator

    JanneProeliator Registered User

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    I know but who knows that by looking at the stone?
    If I would see that emblem on a stone I would assume the man was a brother.
     
  11. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    If you’d really like to pursue this:


    If you are applying for a headstone or marker and the emblem you desire is not currently available, please see information below:

    Who Can Request a New Emblem of Belief?

    CFR 38.632 rule states that the following individuals may request a new emblem of belief for inscription on a headstone or marker: the decedent's next-of-kin (NOK), a person authorized in writing by the NOK, or a personal representative authorized in writing by the decedent.
    Instructions for Requesting an Emblem not Available for Inscription

    To submit a request for an emblem of belief not available for inscription, the requestor must:
    Establish that there is an immediate need for a Government headstone/marker to be furnished for a deceased eligible individual (i.e., submission of VA-Form 40-1330, for Standard Government Headstone or Marker, verification from national or state Veterans' cemetery officials).

    Certify that the proposed new emblem of belief represents the decedent's religious affiliation or sincerely held religious belief system, or a sincerely held belief system that was functionally equivalent to a religious belief system in the life of the decedent.
    Submit a three-inch diameter digitized black and white representation of the requested emblem that is free of copyright or trademark restrictions or authorized by the owner for inscription on Government-furnished headstones and markers and can be reproduced in a production-line environment in stone or bronze without loss of graphic quality.

    Submit all information to the following address:

    Memorial Products Service (41B)
    Department of Veterans Affairs
    5109 Russell Road
    Quantico, VA 22134-3903
     
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