Way of eating lifestyles

Discussion in 'The Refreshment Lounge' started by Lowcarbjc, Jul 10, 2013.

  1. alflemming

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    I eat what I want when I want. Just very controlled portions. I've actually lost weight doing so and I don't over eat at all.


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  2. otherstar

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    Thank you for aiding a brother in his efforts at reformation. (I also appreciate your efforts of spreading that cement of brotherly love and affection, that cement which unites the building into one common mass.)
     
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  3. BryanMaloney

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    As far as we know, the greatest "allergy and intolerance potential" is likely to be from proteins originating in plants and animals that we already eat. My wife is so severely allergic to coconut products that she cannot use anything sold as "shampoo" that we can locate in a local store (cocamide is in 100% of shampoos made by P&G, Unilever, and the other big shampoo makers). Instead, she uses a non-foaming concoction that costs a good deal more. If she sits too close to someone who makes heavy use of a "coconut"-scented lotion, she runs a risk of a respiratory reaction--most coconut scents are "100% natural". Coconut is not some alien oogaboogaboojum that has been "artificially" inserted by via genetic engineering. It's 100% natural. It could kill her due to allergy.

    The problem is not that "alien" origin proteins are more likely to cause allergy, the problem is that their allergenic properties are not known. Saying that the risk is higher than "normal" plants is as imprudent as saying there is no risk at all. That it's unknown is not insurmountable--but it requires due diligence and testing (on whom?--ON UNDERGRADUATES :16:). Due diligence can be expensive, so bean-counters and fatcats oppose it. Of course, no test is perfectly comprehensible, but to ban any product or type of product on this basis requires that we immediately ban everything that exists, since none of it has been comprehensively tested on every single person that lives or might live at some day in the future.

    I've yet to come across reports in the professional scientific literature of GMO-specific allergic reactions in the general population. I consider the following to be far more credible risks for GMO in agriculture:

    1. Promotes even more reliance on pesticides such as Roundup (cf "Roundup-Ready" GMO plants), which wreaks long-term havok on soil.
    2. Renders farmers even more dependent upon the agrijuggernaut corporations, eventually, they could not only have to pay for seed and sign a contract to never save seed but pay a commission on their yields--I could see a corporate mouthpiece arguing for this and a "pro-business" court buying it.
    3. Short-term yield improvement lead to an even more homogeneous agricultural genetic monoculture. The greatest strength of engineering is its greatest weakness. The more purpose-built something is, the less likely it will be to handle something that is not part of its purpose. Thus, a plant engineered for the Great Plains would probably do horribly in Africa, but that won't stop Pioneer from pushing it as their sole seed alternative to sell to farmers in Africa. The fragility of conventionally-bred crops is already known to botanist, which is why they're scrambling to find as much as they can of the wild stocks from which all our crops came and preserve them. However, they are having to do this with the crumbs, since the big money is in engineering crops by the latest methods.
    4. The above situations, plus varying levels of entrenched irrational superstitious fear/hatred of engineered crops/livestock will end up fueling greater food instability in the long run. Hungry people will shoot to get food. People with food will shoot back.


    Note that all of these issues are not inherently due to genetic modification. They are all pre-extant social issues that genetic modification simply exposes more fully.

    Guns might not kill people, but they make it a darn sight easier for people to kill people. However, removing guns won't remove murder or violent crime.
     
  4. Michael Hatley

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    I've tried a lot of different things over the years. Low carbs + exercise for 6 months took off 40 pounds. Being a vegetarian for a year put on 40 pounds. Low carbs + exercise for another 6 months took back off the 40 pounds.

    The whole foods thing seems like a bit of a gimmick to me, but hey. I went vegetarian for a year so its not like I'm not into gimmicks.

    At least I haven't gotten into juicing yet - that seems to be a running fad now if my FB feed is any indication. That and "raw" diets.

    I've come around to figuring good old fashioned exercise is the best dietary supplement on Earth.
     
  5. jwhoff

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    Yes. Of course, all "pre" crack-back blocking, concussion, nanzy-panzy f(ou)-ball craze of today.

    When will they knight soccer as a legitimate "contact sport" with winners in every game?

    No "nills", no "friendlies." "Yellow cards?"

    I want zeros, winners and losers!

    We need, nay, MUST HAVE, a legitimate national sport upon which to act most uncivilized!

    What say yea brethren?


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  6. NamasteNeko

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    Vegan, gluten free, and Ayurveda.

    Also done low Carb (specifically for Candidate reduction).

    Ayurveda is Sanskrit for "science of life." The idea is to eat based on your body type and prevent disease from beginning instead of treating it after it begins.

    "Early to bed, early to rise helps make a man healthy, wealthy, and wise."
     
  7. BryanMaloney

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    Have you actually even SEEN a proper "soccer" match? That nonsense that's promulgated to the children in the USA is as much "soccer" (actually "football" or "world football") as a game of "flag football" with penalties for even accidental body contact (I've seen it done) is actual American football.


    "Soccer" has that. "Soccer" even has the guts to have TIES, which so many in our country don't seem to be able to grasp. Sometimes, on a given day, two teams really might be even. The manful solution would be for them to admit to it, shake hands, and fight another day. Little boys, on the other hand, pile on overtime after overtime, until somebody gets the "King of the Playground" crown. (I hate overtime. If a team can't pull out a victory in regulation time, then a tie is the best they deserve, no endless Mulligans until a pseudo-winner is finally declared in "overtime". Overtime weakens the game.)
     
  8. BryanMaloney

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    To elaborate, one doesn't do it all by oneself based on a book or Youtube video, either. It's done in consultation with an Aryuvedic physician, who does more than put someone into a rigidly-defined body type that allows no overlap. There are also adjustments. Likewise, it is turning out that the traditional Indian diets (there are several cuisines from the subcontinent) happens to be remarkably rich in spices with some very interesting properties, such as turmeric. Now, Aryuveda is not a cure-all, and it does fail in some instances, but it's also not a simplistic, single-principle system. Smart Aryuveda practitioners are happy to incorporate modern scientific discoveries.

    However, that being said, it was developed for a specific genetic mix, climate, and food culture. Proper application outside those parameters would probably require re-calibration for any differences, which could be quite significant. Aryuveda was developed over centuries, so a "re-calibration" done in a few months or even a couple of years is unlikely to be a good fit for someone whose ancestry is Irish-German, grew up in Indiana, and lives in Texas.
     
  9. jvarnell

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    This is exactly why I say that the Pyramid needs to be a cylinder the carbs are the base of the pyramid which you need to eat. Our bodies need all the foods including fats. If the pancreas receives a signal that there are a lot of carbs it tells the liver to make...Cholesterol yes Cheloristal. Cholesterol is made when your pancreas is told that you have an overabundance of carbs in your body because your body knows it is not getting enough fat intake.
     
  10. Lowcarbjc

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    Ya it not the fat that fries the fries but the potatoes in the fries. But that doesn't help the guys that want us to be a bunch of P*&^%^% that don't want us to fight them.
     
  12. kaveman

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    I juice fruit and veggies into different combinations I find you tube useful for new ideas but I didn't stop eating my normal variety of meat, dairy and different forms of bread I just added the fruit and veggies into something I could eat or rather drink since some of the veggies I juice I would never eat in there natural form I found there are many people out there sharing many ideas for new recipies


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  13. BryanMaloney

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    Cholesterol formation starts with pyruvate, which is a ketone, not a sugar. Ketones are generally obtained through protein sources. It is also well-documented that, while fat is not a molecular precursor to proteins, the amount and types of dietary fats will alter amounts synthesized, amounts stored, and types of cholesterol in the body. Saturated fat intake maps strongly onto high LDL and low HDL. That LDL/HDL mix goes along with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, Alzheimers and other dementias, etc.

    No amount of blustering is ever going to make it healthy to chow down on enormous amounts of fried foods. If your intake exceeds your exertion, you will get and remain fat, and no amount of faddish juggling will make a difference. Nobody with a lick of sense is going to believe you should eat as much lard/shortening/oil per day as you should eat of protein.

    Want to know what "diet" I get to and maintain the best weight with? It works every single time, without fail. I'll tell you the secret.

    It's the Bust My Ass diet. Whether it be from a job stocking groceries or daily martial arts training, it's the only thing that has ever worked for me. No amount of accounting tricks has worked. These various fad diets that promise you can "eat what you like" if you just use their magic formula always invariably get forgotten, because they always end up failing.

    Want to maintain health? Don't stuff yourself. Lay of the sugar, lay off the fat, lay off the excess anything at all. Exercise. Don't eat like a badly-supvervised toddler and spend all day in front of a screen (i.e., don't be like my mother-in-law).


    However, when the rubber meets the road, the REAL reason the french fries are killing you is not the fat, not the carbs, and not the big yellow "M" on the side of the box. The real reason is the amount and frequency with which they're eaten (displacing better foot sources) and the sitting on the butt that goes along with the "French Fry Lifestyle".

    As an experiment, I once decided to eat nothing I had not made myself totally from scratch and the least-refined ingredients that could do the job, and "from scratch" meant "mixing by hand", "cutting by hand", etc. I got to a healthier weight and maintained it. I did eat potato chips. But I didn't feel like it so much when I had to get out the knife, slice potatoes very thin, fry them myself. Alas, my beloved wife and the rest of my current family would rather have their nails ripped out than eat an "unrefined" food product, but one takes the good with the bad.

    Fat, sugar, and salt are three cheap ways to make food taste good. So pre-packaged foods use a lot of these, and the "free" or "low" versions usually just load up on one or both of the other two.

    Look at yourself in the mirror, with your shirt off, and be honest. Do you really have that "beach body"? If you've been sticking to one "diet" and lifestyle for a few months, at least, and don't have that "beach body", then your "diet" and lifestyle aren't nearly as healthy as you think they are, and no amount of propaganda from any source is going to change that.
     
  14. BryanMaloney

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    It should be noted that "juicing" is overrated and has its own problems. We evolved (or were created) to eat foods, not just suck out juices. Too much juice consumption and you run back into the "very high carb" diet problem. The sugars in juices are still sugars. Glucose is glucose, be it from a bag or a bottle of juice. Fructose is fructose. Sucrose is sucrose.
     
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    Fight them? Fight whom? Nobody has ever held a gun to my head and dictated what I could or could not eat.
     

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