What would you like to see changed in the Masonic experience?

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  1. cemab4y

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    I was living in Northern VA. There was a new DeMolay chapter getting underway, and I volunteered to help. I took the classes to be an adult advisor.

    Later, the DDGM for the area gave me an "ass-chewing", and said that I was working to undermine the existing DeMolay chapter in North VA. I was deeply hurt and "flabbergasted". In Arlington/Fairfax county VA, an area with over 600,000 people, there is certainly enough young men to have two DeMolay chapters.

    I later told the adult leadership of the new chapter, and they were also stunned.

    Sadly, there is a great deal of "turf" in Masonry.

    I appreciate your telling me to get involved with DeMolay. Sadly, I tried. If I could do it, without getting the Deputy District Grand Master angry at me, I would.
     
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    --Brother Dreyfuss took the Craft degrees in a special class, presented in WashDC as the post states. He then took the SR degrees immediately thereafter. He walked in to the building at 0900am with no Masonic affiliation. He left the building before lunch, a 32d degree SR mason. (At that time) he was made a member of Potomac Lodge #5, F&AM WashDC, and the WashDC Scottish Rite bodies.

    I personally submitted his Masonic membership information to "wikipedia", and after confirmation, the affiliations were listed. Some months later, Wikipedia removed the information. (Don't ask me why, I honestly do not know).

    If you are interested in what he has contributed to Masonry, you will have to ask him directly. He is big Hollywood actor, and I just an engineer, out in the Kuwait desert.
     
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    I suggest that you view the movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". The proposal for the national boys camp, calls for the Federal Government to issue a loan, and the camp to be built, and then the loan to be paid back, by the young men, who would go to the camp.

    Of course, I do not have the millions of dollars, that such a venture would cost. And of course, if such a venture ever came to fruition, the costs would be borne by a combination of donations, and tuition paid by the attendees, and perhaps an endowment fund.

    Of couse I cannot create such a venture "on my own". That is preposterous.

    "Lead, follow. or get out of the way". -Laurence J. Peter
     
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    "WE" is used, in this context, as a first-person plural pronoun, not as onomatopoeia. If you do not wish to part of "WE", then just stay out of the discussion.
    Most people do not take me seriously, anyway. And I am not especially interested in being taken seriously.

    I am a telecommunications engineer, not an educator, nor an expert in fund-raising, nor remotely capable of developing a "detailed business plan" for such an endeavour. For an idea like this to take root, and grow, it will take the efforts of many individuals, and barrels of money. The only way it could happen is to rely on the efforts of others. That is why there are charitable foundations, and committees. We might even get a grant from the MacArthur foundation, or another philanthropic foundation or Bill Gates.



    If you do not think that Freemasonry can or should create a charity/foundation, that is your right. Thankfully, most Masons do not agree with you. If you feel that charitable and humanitarian activities are not in the scope of Freemasonry, I suggest you read this list:

    (This is a PARTIAL listing of what Freemasonry (and the appendant/concordant bodies) are doing.

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    What Freemasonry does…
    Simply, Freemasonry builds and advances the character of men to make them better.
    Building on principals of moral integrity, Freemasons hold brotherly love as paramount to the benefit of mankind. Whether through charitable acts, or by direct involvement, Freemasonry has dedicated itself to the prosperity of mankind.
    On the individual level, Freemasonry builds on moral philosophy, through allegorical symbols to impart rich and complex meanings about the divine. What that means is through Masonic education, individuals are given their own personal building blocks to contribute to the build of their own personal moral character, and then charged with applying that purpose in their day-to-day life.
    It does not act to impart religion to its membership, instead it builds on the tenants and virtues taught by all religions, including a faith in the divine, the application of the Golden Rule, and the value of leading a moral virtuous life, all with the drive to put these ideas into personal practice. It promotes the active participation in the member’s individual faith tradition, charging them to build their spiritual character.
    Throughout the mason’s life, the lessons of morality and ethics are revisited through the extensions of the various bodies of Freemasonry, building on the principals of Freemasonry. Seldom can a mason say they have learned all of the meanings taught to them through the degrees.
    By serving to promote brotherly love masons are now involved in extended levels of charity and benevolence to meet the needs of those least able in society.
    To serves as an example, Freemasons are involved in all of these charitable organizations, giving to the needs of others.
    •Childhood language disorders
    •Treatment for birth defects
    •Scholarship and direct grants to children and grandchildren of Scottish Rite Masons as well as to members of DeMolay, Job’s Daughters, Rainbow for Girls, and other
    •Masonic youth groups
    •Research on diabetes
    •A summer camp for underprivileged children
    •Arteriosclerosis research
    •Christmas Day Dinner for the Des Moines community
    •Cancer research
    •Training awards for religious leadership and those making religious work their career
    •A museum and monument to George Washington
    •Grants to students at in Schools of Government and Business
    •Administration and International Affairs
    •Dental care for handicapped children
    •Scholarship assistance to nursing students
    •Geriatric research
    •Child development for good citizenship and sound character for boys and girls
    •Outpatient services for cancer treatment
    •Low cost education loans
    •Eye surgery and prescription glasses
    •Treatment for cancer patients and cancer research support
    •Masonic Hospital Visitation Program for V.A. Hospital volunteers
    •Research in heart disease, cancer, aging, hypertension, and blood substitutes
    •Meeting and performance facilities at the International Peace Garden
    •A clearinghouse on Masonic information
    •Education of youth about drugs and alcohol
    •Ohio Special Olympics
    •A non-denominational chapel for mediation and religious services at the International Peace Garden
    •Research into the causes and treatment of schizophrenia and related disorders
    •Research into auditory perception disorders in children
    •A Georgia children’s medical Center
    •A museum and library focusing on our American heritage as well as Freemasonry’s role in the history of our country
    •The first public library in the District of Columbia
    •Scholarships and fellowships for Ph.D. candidates in Public School Administration
    •Support for students seeking degrees in fields associated with service to country and humanity Orthopedic services to children through a network of 22 hospitals and treatment for burns victims at four burns centers
    •Support for the Muscular Dystrophy Association
    •A provider of new shoes for needy Tennessee and Alabama children
    •An orthopedic, neuralgic, and child development hospital in Texas
    •Operates a clinic for dyslexic and aphasia disorders in children
    •Provides needy homeless children in the school district with clothing and toiletries

    The following is a brief listing of these American Masonic Charities mentioned above:
    Abbott Scottish Rite Scholarship Program
    Provides direct grants to children and grandchildren of Scottish Rite masons, as well as members of DeMolay, Job’s Daughters, Rainbow Girls, and other Masonic youth groups.
    Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, N.M.J.
    P.O. Box 519
    33 Marrett Road
    Lexington, Massachusetts 02173
    (617) 862-4410
    Amaranth Diabetes Foundation
    (Supports research on diabetes)
    The Supreme Council, Order of the Amaranth
    Mrs. Ethel B. Fry, Supreme Secretary
    2303 Murdoch Avenue
    Parkersburg, West Virginia 26101
    (304) 485-0423 or (304) 428-1565


    I ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS ONE!!!!

    Camp Chicota
    A summer camp for underprivileged children
    Grand Lodge of Louisiana, Prince Hall Affiliation
    1335-37 North Boulevard
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70821
    (504) 387-0996





    Cryptic Masons Medical Research Foundation
    Supports arteriosclerosis research
    Cryptic Masons Medical Research Foundation
    Marion K. Crum, Executive Secretary
    Route 4, Box 301
    Nashville, Indiana 47448
    (812) 988-8655
    Des Moines Masonic Christmas Day Dinner
    Provides Christmas Day Dinner for the community
    Masonic Christmas Day Dinner
    Masonic Temple
    1011 Locus Street
    Des Moines, Iowa 50309
    (515) 244-6011
    Eastern Star Cancer Research Project
    Supports cancer research
    General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
    1618 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20009-2578
    (202) 667-4737

    Eastern Star Training Awards for Religious Leadership
    Supports those who are making religious work their career
    General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
    1618 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20009-2578
    (202) 667-4737
    General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
    Supports the Peace Chapel at the International Peace Garden which
    provides a non-denominational chapel for meditation and religious
    services
    General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
    1618 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20009-2578
    (202) 667-4737
    George Washington Masonic National Memorial
    A museum and monument to our first President (and a Mason)
    George Washington Masonic National Memorial
    101 Calahan Drive
    Alexandria, Virginia 22301
    (703) 683-2007
    George Washington University Grants
    Provides grants to students in the Schools of Government and
    Business Administration and International Affairs and matching
    grants for graduate students
    Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern Jurisdiction
    1733 Sixteenth Street, N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20009-3199
    *****-SR MASON
    Grotto Dentistry for the Handicapped Program
    Provides dental care to handicapped children
    Supreme Council, M.O.V.P.E.R.
    34 N. Fourth Street
    Columbus, Ohio 43215
    (614) 463-9193
    Illinois Scottish Rite Nursing Scholarships
    Provides scholarship assistance to nursing students throughout
    the State of Illinois
    Illinois Scottish Rite Fund
    Illinois Council of Deliberation
    915 N. Dearborn Street
    Chicago, Illinois 60610
    (312) 787-7605
    Indiana Masonic Home Foundation
    An endowment which supports the Indiana Masonic Home, a retirement
    and convalescence center. Located on 360 acres, is home for over
    400 residents.
    P. O. Box 44210
    525 North Illinois Street
    Indianapolis, Indiana 46224-0210
    (800) 277-4643
    Indianapolis Scottish Rite Foundation
    Supports geriatric research at the University of Indiana Medical School
    Indianapolis Scottish Rite Bodies
    650 N. Meridian Street
    Indianapolis, Indiana 46204-1294
    (317) 635-2301
    International Order of Job’s Daughters
    A organization for girls between the ages of eleven and twenty who are relatives of Master Masons
    Supreme Guardian Council, International Order of Job’s Daughters
    233 West 6th Street
    Papillion, Nebraska 68046
    (402) 592-7987
    International Order of Rainbow for Girls
    A organization for girls between the ages of eleven and eighteen who are daughters of Masonic or Eastern Star families or friends of such girls
    International Order of Rainbow for Girls
    P.O. Box 788
    McAlester, Oklahoma 74502
    (918) 423-1328
    Kansas Masonic Oncology Center
    Provides out-patient services for cancer treatment
    Kansas Masonic Foundation
    320 West 8th Street
    P.O. Box 1217
    Topeka, Kansas 66601-1217
    (913) 357-7646
    Knights Templar Educational Foundation
    Provides students with low-cost education loans
    5097 Elston Ave, Suite 101
    Chicago, Illinois 60630-2460
    (312) 427-5670
    Knights Templar Eye Foundation
    Supports eye surgery and prescription glasses
    P.O. Box 579
    Springfield, Illinois 62705-0579
    (217) 523-3838
    Minnesota Masonic Cancer Center
    Provides treatment for cancer patients and supports research
    Masonic Cancer Center Fund, Inc.
    1700 West Highway 36, Suite 120
    Roseville, Minnesota 55113
    (612)639-8433
    Masonic Hospital Visitation Program
    Provides Masonic volunteers to work with patients at Veterans
    Administration and military hospitals
    Masonic Services Association of the United States
    8120 Fenton Street
    Silver Spring, Maryland 20910
    (301) 588-4010
    Masonic Medical Research Laboratory, Utica, New York
    Supports research in heart disease, cancer, aging, hypertension,
    and blood substitutes
    2150 Bleeker Street
    Utica, New York 13501-1787
    (315) 735-2217
    Masonic Memorial Auditorium, International Peace Garden
    Provides meeting and performance facilities for visitors
    Grand Lodge of North Dakota
    201 14th Avenue North
    Fargo, North Dakota 58102
    (701) 235-8321
    Masonic Services Association of the United States
    Serves as a clearing house for Masonic information
    National Masonic Foundation for the Prevention of
    Drug and Alcohol Abuse Among Children
    Supports education for youth about drugs and alcohol
    1629 K Street N.W., Suite 606
    Washington, D.C. 20006
    (202) 331-1933
    Ohio Special Olympics
    The Masonic Grand Lodge of Ohio sponsors every Ohio Special Olympian at these games
    Grand Lodge of Ohio
    P.O. Box 629
    Worthington, Ohio 43085-0629
    (614) 885-5318
    Order of DeMolay
    A fraternal organization for boys between the ages of thirteen and
    twenty-one; its purpose is the encouragement and development of good
    citizenship and sound character
    International Supreme Council, Order of DeMolay
    10200 N. Executive Hills Boulevard
    P.O. Box 901342
    Kansas City, Missouri 64190-1342
    (816) 891-8333
    Research In Schizophrenia
    Supports research into the causes and treatment of schizophrenia and related disorders
    Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, N.M.J.
    P.O. Box 519
    33 Marrett Road
    Lexington, Massachusetts 02173
    (617) 862-4410
    Royal Arch Research Assistance Program
    Supports research into auditory perception disorders in children
    General Grand Chapter, Royal Arch Masons International
    111 South 4th Street
    Danville, Kentucky 40423-0489
    (606) 236-0757
    Scottish Rite Children’s Medical Center in Georgia
    Provides generalized and specialized services to children
    Scottish Rites Children’s Medical Center
    1001 Johnson Ferry Road, N.E.
    Atlanta, Georgia 30363
    (404) 256-5252
    Scottish Rite Museum of Our National Heritage
    A museum and library focusing on our American heritage as well as
    Freemasonry’s role in the history of our country
    Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, N.M.J.
    P.O. Box 519
    33 Marrett Road
    Lexington, Massachusetts 02173
    (617) 862-4410
    Scottish Rite Supreme Council Library
    The first public library in the District of Columbia which today
    serves the general public as well as international Masonic scholars
    Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern Jurisdiction
    1733 Sixteenth Street, N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20009-3199
    http://www.srmason-sj.org
    Shepherd Scholarship
    Supports students seeking degrees in fields associated with service
    to country and humanity
    Shriners Hospitals for Children and Shriners Burn Institutes
    Provides orthopedic services to children through a network of 22
    hospitals and treatment for burns victims at three burns centers,
    also provides specialized medical services for spinal cord injuries,
    and cleft palates.
    Direct phone to Shriners Hospitals for Children (USA) 800-237-5055
    Shriner Headquarters
    2900 Rocky Point Drive
    Tampa, Florida 33607
    [USA - (800) 282-9161 ] [Canada - (800) 361-7256 ] [All other areas
    call collect - (813) 281-0300 ]
    Tall Cedar Foundation
    Supports the Muscular Dystrophy Association
    Supreme Forest, Tall Cedars of Lebanon
    2609 N. Front Street
    Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17110
    (717) 232-5991
    Tennessee and Alabama Scottish Rite Shoe Program
    Provides new shoes for need Tennessee and Alabama children
    Chattanooga Scottish Rite Bodies
    510 Uptain Building
    Chattanooga, Tennessee 37411-4031
    (615) 855-0175
    Birmingham Scottish Rite Bodies
    400 Valley Avenue
    Birmingham, Alabama 35209-3899
    (205) 942-2687
    Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children
    Provides orthopedic, neuralgic, and child development services to children in Texas
    Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children
    2222 Welborn Street
    Dallas, Texas 75219-9982
    (214) 521-3168
    Masons Assisting Children (MAC)
    Provides needy homeless children in the school district with clothing and toiletries
    Masons Assisting Children
    2200 West Mesquite
    Las Vegas, Nevada 89106
    Scottish Rite Foundation
    Operates a clinic for dyslexic and aphasia disorders in children
    Scottish Rite Foundation
    2200 West Mesquite
    Las Vegas, Nevada 89106

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    If you truly believe that Freemasonry/Appendants should not be involved in charitable and humanitarian activities, I suggest that you contact each of the activities on this list, and given them your reasons, and tell them to stop the activities.

    "Mankind was my business" - The Ghost of Jacob Marley, talking to Ebenezer Scrooge.
     
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    That is the truth. I was there, and I personally witnessed the entire ceremonies. Afterwards, I was delighted to shake Brother Dreyfuss' hand.
     
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    I did not say it was not true, it is just disheartening to see such a publicity stunt.
     
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    I have looked through this section for quite some time now and have tryed to think about what I could change to make Free Masonry better. After much thought I think it boils down to just one thing.

    ME!

    Brothers, it's not about changing Free Masonry - It's about changing oursevles to live and act by her moral standards. Think about it!
     
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    I understand your point. I, personally, am NOT a fan of ODC's. Even a "big shot" should be able to take the Masonic experience like the rest of us. I would, however, keep the door open for exigent circumstances, like a soldier deploying overseas. During WW2, some lodges operated "around the clock", doing degree work on soldiers.

    I am nevertheless delighted, that an actor of Richard Dreyfuss' stature is a Mason. He does not get any publicity from it, and even the fact that he is a Mason, is absent from his Wikipedia biography. I am thrilled that he started the "Dreyfuss Initiative" (It was underway a long time before he was made a Mason, and there is NO connection between the foundation and Masonry).
     
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    If you are of the opinion that there is nothing in Freemasonry, that needs changing or updating, then this discussion is not for you. If you wish to improve yourself in Masonry, as we are all charged to do in the EA degree, I wish you well, and I am right there with you. There is no lodge nor any Masonic fellowship where I live, so my Masonic experience here is personal and internet only.
     
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    I am a graduate of Western Kentucky University (class of 1983). The motto of my Alma mater is "Back of the deed was the doer, back of the deed was the Dream".
    My dream is a healthy and vigorous Freemasonry, that can meet the challenges of the 21st century.

    "If you don't have good dreams, then all you have are nightmares". Mickey Rourke, actor/boxer
     
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    <sigh> You miss the point continually. It's never been about not doing charitable works.

    It's always been about stopping the insanity of further encouraging members toward yet one more undue distraction from their PRIMARY PURPOSES.

    The Problem: The organization as a whole does not do the basics for its own members. To ask members to build organizational structures to support others without making sure that those members have first built structures to support themselves is insanity perpetuated.

    Your "idea" farm is also part of the problem. You're laying a lot o' eggs there Bro. You need to sit down and hatch those chicks before you even begin to feed 'em, raise 'em! and put 'em out to stud. Until your do, the yokes on you.

     
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    I am glad that most Masons are not opposed to our charities. (The huge majority of which are sponsored by the appendant/concordant bodies anyway).

    I disagree that the organization as a whole does not do the basics. I have visited lodges in 14 states, WashDC, and 5 foreign countries. The meetings are as basic and boring as anyone could imagine. Open, read minutes, read the sick list, pay the bills, close, go home. This is "basic Masonry",to be sure.

    The whole point of this discussion topic, is to hatch and "massage" ideas. The great thing about 51 Grand Lodges,is that there are 51 "laboratories" ,where ideas can be tried. If found successful, they can be imitated. If found impractical, then they can be discarded. This is why the idea of a national Grand Lodge (which I oppose) is ludicrous.

    If you are opposed to discussing ideas, then this thread is not for you.
     
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    It's never been the issue, although you continually make effort to make it one.

    That is basic "Freemasonry". It is far from having anything to do with Masonry.

    Oh! Thanks for pointing this out. I thought is was merely to share what each poster wanted to change about their organizational experiences; not to drum up ideas to change the organization.
    Well, that and for a whole bunch of other reasons.

    Did you want to discuss this idea further or are you dead set on not discussing your opinion on this any further?
     
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    What does his stature as an actor have to do with the qualifications of becoming a Mason? Do you believe that being agnostic meets the requirement of having a belief in a Supreme Being?

    So, how can the 3 Craft Degrees be conferred in less then 3 hours?
     
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    1) Nothing, but good God man! It's RICHARD DREYFUS!!!!
    2) Not in my jurisdiction.

    I thought he said he walked out a 32 Degree mason after 3 hours. Isn't that 32 degrees in 3 hours?
     
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    All i.see is cemab4y making suggestions on things.he sees as ways to make meetings and lodges better and the old timers screaming "thats not how we did it in my day!" hes got some really good ideas. Im a fairly new.mason(about 2yrs now) and i just affiliated with my second lodge,Army moved me, there r 2lodges here in Santa Fe,NM and i chose Cerrillos #19 over Montezuma 1 because Cerrillos actually has masonic and.non masonic.presentations at at the meetings where Montezuma was all business all the time. By adding presentations to your meetings u arent changing Masonry.
     
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