Widows Sons

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by rhitland, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    Can anybody shed some light on this group? I had a brother ask me what they are all about but I was clueless.

    http://www.widowssons.com/
     
  2. Bboc

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    What do you want to know their about us page pretty much sums them up.
     
  3. tomasball

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    I don't have a current copy of Grand Lodge Laws in front of me. Are they on the list of approved organizations? We had a bit of a controversy a couple of years ago concerning approval of masonic biker clubs.
     
  4. Bboc

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    I'm not sure. Dose that list change from state to state. They do have a list of their chapters on their site. If you call your grand lodge I'm sure they will know. I'm in tn. So I don't know how much I can help.
     
  5. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    That was the main thing I was wondering if it was legal or not in TX? I believe at GL 2 years ago this very group was denied recognition which I was not sure if a TX mason can legally be apart of it?
     
  6. david918

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    I don't think they are on the approved list here in Tx just the FMRC.I do know they are approved in almost all of the rest of the states as well as overseas.
     
  7. tomasball

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    If that is the case, then any mason belonging to it, (and there would seem to be many) is subject to disciplinary action.
     
  8. tomasball

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    I meant, of course that any TEXAS mason belonging to it is subject to disciplinary action.
     
  9. owls84

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    That would appear to be the case because there are a list of chapters in Texas.

    Texas
    Tribe of Naphtali (Dallas East)
    Rough Ashlars (Dallas West)
    Stonecutters (Fort Worth)
    East Wind Riders (Terrell)
    Tribe of Huaco (Waco)
    King Solomons Travelers (Austin)
    Ancient Brothers (Odessa)
    Sons of Solomon Chapter
     
  10. LRG

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    The picture with the female was the cause of the no-vote from Texas GL. As I know it, FreeMasons Riding Club is the only riding club approved by Texas GL
     
  11. JOHN STONE

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    i believe that statement is in-correct...the widow's sons are not recognized by grand lodge of texas, but neither is the shrine or scottish rite. Just not
    being recognized, does not mean it is a clandestine group subjecting any member to disciplinary action by the grand lodge. The widow's sons are simply a bunch of master masons that enjoy motorcycles and foster masonry
    with our rides. Contact bro. Roger moore, widows sons grand lodge president @ 214-734-1147 for further information. Sincerely,
    john stone
    tribe of napthali
     
  12. tomasball

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    I would refer you to the Laws of the Grand Lodge of Texas, Article 505, part 22. It is a masonic disciplinary violation for a Texas mason to "Participate in, approve, or aid in the formation of any organization predicating its membership on Masonic membership or in the formation of any local chapters or groups, by whatever name called, of any organization predicating membership on Masonic membership. It shall be a Masonic offense for any Texas Mason to be, remain, or continue as, a Member of any organization predicating its membership or affiliation on Masonic membership unless such organization is now currently approved or recognized in Article 225 or Article 225a." Article 225 lists the organizations approved by the Grand Lodge of Texas, and yes, that list included the Shrine and the Scottish Rite.

    I don't see how there could be room for any confusion here.

    now, if the Widow's Sons allowed women or non-masons as members, they would not fall under article 505. But if you have to be a mason to join, then in Texas you answer to the laws of the Grand Lodge of Texas.
     
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  13. rwmoore

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    Brother,
    You are correct, "IF" the Widows Sons of Texas predicated it's membership on being a Mason we WOULD be in violation. It is nowhere in our By-Laws that it is said that you have to be a Mason to join or be a member of the Widows Sons of Texas. We are set up just like the Lodge, with a Grand Chapter and subordinate Chapters, and each are autonomous to operate as they wish. The other misconception is that we are a "Motorcycle Club" which we are not, we are a riding club. Unlike the FMRC, which is recognized, we DO NOT belong to the Confederation of Clubs, or COC, which is operated by the Bandidos, BoozeFighters and other Motorcycle Clubs of local and National origin. We do not seek their recognition, or approval. We are just a group of men who share a common bond and wish to ride and fellowship together.

    If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me privately.

    Roger Moore
    President
    Widows Sons of Texas
    Grand Chapter
     
  14. Blake Bowden

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    Thanks for the info!
     
  15. Wingnut

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    True but it does give the impression of a M/C with the 3pc cut.

    Yes the FMRC is a member of the CoC but that has NOTHING to do with GLoTX recognition. As you know FMRC was granted recognition at the same GL communication that the WS was considered, approved and later denied. No need to go into the details here.

    For those that dont know the 'biker world' is a very different world than many are used to. Its really a matter of respect and recognition. The Confederation of Clubs is a way to eliminate a lot of the issues that have come up in many parts of the country between the Dominate Clubs and minor clubs. The CoC is not just made up of M/C but Riding Clubs and independents as well. Being a part of the CoC does not make you a part of any 1% club or M/C. CLICK HERE if you wish to learn more about the difference between a M/C and R/C and HERE for CoC information!

    Your comments seem to be implying that FMRC is a M/C or part of 1% world. I know that was not your intention but those that dont know otherwise may assume that's what you meant.
     
  16. rwmoore

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    Brother,
    I received your PM but cannot respond due to not having posted enough times. Please send me an email address so that I can respond, I have some good information for you that I think will ease your mind.
    Fraternally,
    Roger
     
  17. rwmoore

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    Brother Wingnut,
    You are correct, I did not mean to imply anything other than association with the group itself. As far as the cut, or vest, our Chapter cuts are 2 pc. and designed that way to avoid the problems you mentioned. We only wqnt to ride, fellowship and have fun.
    Fraternally
    Roger "007" Moore
    Metropolitan #1182 (Senior Deacon)
    Widows Sons of Texas
     
  18. tomasball

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    Okay, I messaged you my email address
     
  19. kmfisher1

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    I personally know several good Brothers that belong to this group.
    As MM we all work very hard every day to protect & project the positve image of ourselves and our beloved fraternity.
    Whether we belong to any other organizations or appendant bodies we have our blue lodge obligations to uphold in our daily lives.
    Applying the golden rule to everyone we come in contact with in our daily lives does so much in showing the world who and what we are.
    Ride safe!
     
  20. TCShelton

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    Out of curiousity, what was the reasoning behind the Widow's Sons being denied by GL?
     

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