Traveling

[Dontrell Stroman]

Being from a military back ground, I've had the opportunity to see how both sides conversate. In my own opinion I don't believe in speaking for a organization as a whole. I believe it depends on the brother. Some brothers choose to do it, and some do not.

 

[Glen Cook]

No sir I think my point was why have ways to recognize each other if they are only used in a tyled lodge, now on the other hand the only place they should be taught is in a tyled lodge.

That's not the rule in my jurisdiction

 

[Glen Cook]

How else would you attract the attention of a stranger?

Say Hello

 

[Brother JC]

For instance, one of the questions is how old is your grandmother ? That question has been used by masons for years.

Only by some of the recognized GLs. I had never heard that question, nor had many of the Brethren here (except on this forum).
My GLs recognize nearly one-hundred GLs in this country and many more worldwide, and only a handful use such questions.

 

[Glen Cook]

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Being from a military back ground.....

Which branch?

 

[Glen Cook]

No brother cook, I'm just clarifying.

Have no idea to which post this was a reply

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

Army

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

Brother try square, that's why I say I don't won't to speak as a whole. I ran into brothers on both sides that use these questions. They don't ask each other to challenge each other, it's almost a way of starting a conversation in a sence. For instance a brother walking up to you that see you wearing a Masonic ring might say " you traveling man "

 

[Glen Cook]

Army

Almost as good as the Navy

 

[LAMason]

the only reason PHA not recognized by its state GL counterpart is racism

That is your opinion and while it may be one reason, it is not the only reason. It is well known that "...the formation of the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts was irregular..." (Report From The United Grand Lodge of England Prince Hall Masonry and the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts). The first Standard of Recognition listed by the CGMNA, Commission on Information for Recognition is "Legitimacy of Origin". The UGLE report also states "...that the proper course is now to ignore the unusual formation of the African Grand Lodge..." so it is clear that the UGLE and other Grand Lodges that recognize Prince Hall have made a decision to ignore the fact that their formation was irregular. In addition to that the Grand Lodges that do not recognize Prince Hall are upholding the long standing precedent of Exclusive Territorial Jurisdiction.

[url=https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-tkBBXwyOFNTVVReTB5U1N4LU0/view?usp=sharing] The Doctrine of Exclusive Territorial Jurisdiction Grayson W. Mayfield, III, P M, Heredom, Volume 17, 2009[/URL]

 

[Glen Cook]

That is your opinion and while it may be one reason, it is not the only reason. It is well known that "...the formation of the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts was irregular..." (Report From The United Grand Lodge of England Prince Hall Masonry and the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts). The first Standard of Recognition listed by the CGMNA, Commission on Inform....

The Doctrine of Exclusive Territorial Jurisdiction Grayson W. Mayfield, III, P M, Heredom, Volume 17, 2009

Yes, as one who deals with recognition matters, I am aware of this. I am also aware that the Commission and UGLE consider PHA regular, as stated in their reports. ETJ is simply a guise for racism.

 

[dfreybur]

For instance a brother walking up to you that see you wearing a Masonic ring might say " you traveling man "

Which is not in any catechism I have ever seen, nor is it among the secrets of any of my jurisdictions.

I used to like "Are you a Brother" but there was that time at a big camp out when I was hanging around sharing beers with a guy and he ended up giving me some unfamiliar grips that are apparently used among International Order of Odd Fellows. The fraternal bond works even across organizations at time. I learned that all men are brothers before I ever petitioned.

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

Almost as good as the Navy

Ha ha. Hey, we can't all be great

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

The saying are you a traveling man is in reference to getting your 3rd degree. After you receive your 3rd degree you are free to travel/ visit other lodges.

 

[Glen Cook]

The saying are you a traveling man is in reference to getting your 3rd degree. After you receive your 3rd degree you are free to travel/ visit other lodges.

In some jurisdictions, you may do so upon initiation

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

Learned something new. When I was initiated I was taught that you do not wear emblems, not to visit other lodges, or speak on masonic topics until you have been raised to the sublime degree of a MM. Then you are free to do all those things. I guess it's actually a good thing for simple fact you have very little light in the first degree.

 

[Glen Cook]

Learned something new. When I was initiated I was taught that you do not wear emblems, not to visit other lodges, or speak on masonic topics until you have been raised to the sublime degree of a MM. Then you are free to do all those things. I guess it's actually a good thing for simple fact you have very little light in the first degree.

And, if I may suggest, there is very little light immediately after receiving the MM. Yet, (as I begin a rant) there are those not in the fraternity for a year who think themselves knowledgeable in Masonic jurisprudence, protocol, and ritual for all jurisdictions, nations and planetary systems.

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

That is very true

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

Bro cook, have you seen a EA in another jurisdiction that was allowed to travel freely as a master mason would ?

 

[LAMason]

I am also aware that the Commission and UGLE consider PHA regular

I also am aware of that. The UGLE recognition was in 1994, but they had denied recognition as recently as 1988. So, were prior decisions by the UGLE not to recognize Prince Hall due to racism, if not why had they denied recognition? The Commission also states "...We continue to be of the opinion that establishment of fraternal relationships with Prince Hall Grand Lodges remains the prerogative of each individual Grand Lodge" (2006 Commission Report).

ETJ is simply a guise for racism

Again, your opinion. As pointed out in the article I attached in my previous post, the Doctrine of ETJ has been used to defend a Grand Lodge's Territorial Sovereignty in cases other than PH recognition. In fact the UGLE acknowledges ETJ and admits that it "has recently been qualified as being 'subject to exceptions'". This is from the same report quoted in my previous post:

"...A Grand Lodge must have undisputed authority over Craft (or basic) Freemasonry within its jurisdiction, and not be subject in any way to or share power with any other Masonic body.

This principle is expressed overseas as exclusive Territorial jurisdiction, but has recently been qualified as being "subject to exceptions" This qualification means the principle is not violated if Grand Lodges agree to share territory while remaining authority over Brethren under their jurisdiction

England does not ignore territorial sovereignty when it considers recognition..."

I am a strong believer in the Sovereignty of each Grand Lodge. If a Grand Lodge votes to recognize PH for whatever reason that is fine with me, but by the same token other Grand Lodges should not be demonized if they do not because they choose to honor long standing standards of recognition.