If I recall correctly, one of the furthermores has to deal with grand lodge unless I'm thinking of the oath an incoming master takes.Could one say the same of Grand Lodges?
Im not shunning your religious beliefs. If u wanted to say i was shunning anything it would be the church hierarchies. Not the catholic faith itself. But can u answer the question about the Pope? Why is there an election and why is it not unanimous every time? And why is the college of cardinals aloud to discuss who they will vote for? That seems more like picking the chairman of a committee in congress then the spiritual leader who is said to be Gods personal representative on Earth......these are legitimate questions i have had for years and no catholic has ever been able to answer.Those questions have ignorance all over them. It's called FAITH for a reason. You would think a Mason of all people would be wise enough not to shun or dismiss other peoples beliefs!
A parallel could be made in Masonry: we will only make you a Mason if you swear only to deal with this particular GL.
I live in a condo and asked a priest who also lives here if I could join the Catholic Church being a Freemason. He told me it would be O.K.The last statement from Rome is that Catholics who are Masons are in a state of "grave sin" and should not receive communion, but American bishops have generally been "not noticing" Masons in their parishes.
And the Vatican says this isn't something that's up to parish priests. Yes, I know that lots of American priests ignore it, but they're not supposed to.I live in a condo and asked a priest who also lives here if I could join the Catholic Church being a Freemason. He told me it would be O.K.
True.And the Vatican says this isn't something that's up to parish priests. Yes, I know that lots of American priests ignore it, but they're not supposed to.
This is not an unusual obligation.One of the difficulties in Australia at least is that the obligation required of the candidate is 3 fold: to the GAOTU, to the GL and to the lodge. This is rather a surprise to many candidates, but if they do not swear allegiance to the GL then they cannot become Masons in that order.
In my case I had been in another Masonic order and sworn always to regard the initiating lodge as my mother lodge. When I came into another craft order, I was initiated again and despite my previous swearing about my mother lodge was required to do so again for the new mother lodge.
So I was obliged to break a sworn obligation to be initiated in the later order. Surely that made me void of all moral worth.
In Australia there is an offence called "third line forcing". For example it is illegal to require that before you buy a car you must agree to have it serviced only by a particular dealer.
A parallel could be made in Masonry: we will only make you a Mason if you swear only to deal with this particular GL.
Is this a moral position to take?
Same here.I am aware of no Masonic order which declares it to be your "mother lodge" in lieu of your craft lodge.
No, it didn't. Would you care to do so?Perhaps reading my post again might clarify the situation
This dude is straight off his rocker 99.999999% of the time...has he ever told us where her hails from?Perhaps reading my post again might clarify the situation
From the post above, he alludes to Australia, but no, he has not directly stated so. At this point, as he has claimed to have taken obligations in different "orders" of the "craft" and has made claims inconsistent with regular freemasonry, I suspect him to be a clandestine Mason, and shall treat him as such until I have satisfactory proof to the contrary.This dude is straight off his rocker 99.999999% of the time...has he ever told us where her hails from?
Good advise that I shall also take.I suspect him to be a clandestine Mason, and shall treat him as such until I have satisfactory proof to the contrary.
One of the difficulties in Australia at least is that the obligation required of the candidate is 3 fold: to the GAOTU, to the GL and to the lodge. .....In my case I had been in another Masonic order and sworn always to regard the initiating lodge as my mother lodge. When I came into another craft order, I was initiated again and despite my previous swearing about my mother lodge was required to do so again for the new mother lodge.......So I was obliged to break a sworn obligation to be initiated in the later order. Surely that made me void of all moral ...