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Born in blood

BroBook

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Someone in the forum mentioned it I had it for at least ten years , I thought I would read it again, only on page ten, wondering if I read it at all .

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Brother JC

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I enjoyed it, and I have read several of the author's books. Just remember that it is speculation, not historical fact.
 

BroBook

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I enjoyed it, and I have read several of the author's books. Just remember that it is speculation, not historical fact.

Yes this is speculative science and also the author was not a member but right now I am focusing on the "historical " aspects, black plaque England , Scotland & France competing.


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jeffself

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I was giving a copy of born in blood and when I opened it ..it was autographed by the author


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Mike Martin

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It's a good book but it won't teach you anything about Freemasonry being written as it was by an interested non-Mason.

It was first Published in 1989 and he subsequently wrote another book called "A Pilgrim's Path" published in 1993 which detailed some of the nutters he came up against while promoting BiB and he subsequently went on to join a Lodge.

Sadly he died in 1996 so he wasn't able to re-visit BiB and to correct some of his erroneous material regarding Freemasonry.
 

BroBook

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It's a good book but it won't teach you anything about Freemasonry being written as it was by an interested non-Mason.

It was first Published in 1989 and he subsequently wrote another book called "A Pilgrim's Path" published in 1993 which detailed some of the nutters he came up against while promoting BiB and he subsequently went on to join a Lodge.

Sadly he died in 1996 so he wasn't able to re-visit BiB and to correct some of his erroneous material regarding Freemasonry.

I was not aware that before 5717 it was really a secret society ?


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Brother_Steve

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I was not aware that before 5717 it was really a secret society ?


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The problem with BiB is that it is speculation. There is a point in the book where you can feel the author "reach" to make the connection from the back story of the lodon riots and the disbanding of the Templars to modern day freemasonry. Modern meaning the "coming out" of freemasonry in 1717.

I don't think the Templar Knights formed or founded Freemasonry however there is the possibility that some of them became Freemasons IF you believe freemasonry existed in the 1300's.

For all we know, the principles of freemasonry may go back to antiquity but we have to realize, assume and stretch the imagination to imagine that its name was forever changing yet carrying the same core principals of our working tools.
 

Mike Martin

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I was not aware that before 5717 it was really a secret society ?
It wasn't a "secret society" before 1717, it just wasn't the same Fraternity that it is now.

The majority of Lodges in the British Isles of the 1600s had only a handful of non-Operative Masons most were still actually operative, ie actual workers in stone. If it had been "secret", it is unlikely that people like Dr Robert Plot would have known enough about it to mention it in his 1686 book "The Natural History of Staffordshire".
 

Warrior1256

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Haven't read this but sounds interesting. Am going to check to see if our libraries have it. What is the name of the author?
 

jjjjjggggg

Premium Member
Just checked out this book from my lodge's library... after hearing from a few folk how great the book is. But I'm thinking that if this "speculative history" wouldn't that make it fiction? I'm just wondering if I would be wasting my time?

It sounds as if it compares to Manly Hall's speculative works comparing freemasonry with ancient Egyptian esoterica. It's one thing to compare esoteric tradition, but quite another to claim a solid link in history on dubious connections.
 

Pscyclepath

Premium Member
You might also try reading "Dungeon, Fire, and Sword: The Knights Templar in the Crusades," which is the book he was writing when he did much of the initial investigation that came out in "Born in Blood."

I wouldn't say that "Born in Blood" is an authoritative history, but it makes a good, somewhat plausible story. Like scripture, history needs to be read in comparison with other sources, reason, tradition, and the light of experience.
 

Warrior1256

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Got a copy of Born in Blood from the library and have read it. The guy does make a convincing argument and seems to have many facts on his side.
 

chrmc

Registered User
Born in blood is a good ready, but comes closer to fiction than fact. If you start scratching into the claims he makes and doing a little historical digging on them most of them doesn't really hold true. But a cute story none the less.
 

amaya14

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Brothers,

Great information, once I am MM i will seek this body and lean more about the knight in the York rite.
 
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