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BodhiD

Registered User
I've been waiting for someone to address this, but no one has, so I'll shed some light. "Well-regulated"--as the phrase goes, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

As Masons, we should be particularly aware of the 18th century meanings of words. "Well-regulated" doesn't mean "ordered" "organized," or "controlled by regulations." "Regulated" in 2A means "outfitted," "supplied" or, well, "armed." Translated into contemporary American English, it says "Since a well-equipped militia is necessary to keep a free country free, the people will not be prevented from owning and carrying weapons." or something similar.

Brother, devil's advocates are always appreciated, but if you do it, don't be surprised if you get the horns. Ok, now I'm just mixing metaphors...
 

Bill Lins

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
Well good thing I dont live in Texas, also as Bro Traveling man stated if you walk in anywhere but a place that deals in firearms and firearm accessories, with anything other than a holstered pistol, you are going to make me, a Combat veteran and Active duty Soldier very nervous and I will so what i deem necessary to protect myself, my family and those around me. Its gonna start with a question and then go from there.
You're right- it IS a good thing you don't live here. To begin with, YOU would have NO right to "question" an individual who entered a building open to the public with a rifle or shotgun. Unless the building owner has clearly posted signs at all entrances strictly conforming to Texas Penal Code Sections 30.06 and 30.07, ANYONE except a convicted felon may bring a long gun inside, either openly or concealed. The Texas License to Carry is ONLY required to carry handguns, either openly or concealed. Here, you would be well advised to look for those signs yourself and, not seeing them, stay out of those establishments.

Just like the 1st ammendment doenst protect your right to walk in to a crowded building and tell fire or an airport and yell bomb, it doenst protect your right to walk in to a privately owned building with a god damn military style rifle.
That decision is solely up to the owner of the building and no one, including yourself, else. As stated above, unless the owner of the building has the legally mandated and worded signs properly displayed at all entrances, ANYONE except a convicted felon may bring a long gun inside, either openly or concealed. One does not need a License to Carry for long guns.

There is no reason to carry a military style rifle to the shopping mall or to mcdonalds.
That is merely your opinion which you have NO right to attempt to enforce. To try to do so in Texas will get YOU put in one of our many fine jails!
 

Randy81

Premium Member
I'm actually from Texas originally and have never felt threatened by anyone open carrying a weapon. I never seen anyone carry an AR outside of HEB but have seen ranchers with them. Didn't prevent them from the normal friendly wave!

I, myself, am a combat veteran with three trips to Iraq and two trips to Afghanistan and it doesn't trigger any flashbacks. Oh, and I'm an Infantryman. I think if you look at most areas with high crime, you'll see strict gun laws...
 

Rifleman1776

Registered User
Figured I would see who enjoys shooting for fun, sport, CCW and collecting. There will be nothing illegal tolerated.

Here is my daily carry
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Very nice. Were the emblems done with laser engraving?
 

Rifleman1776

Registered User
Im gonna play devil advoacte here....the 2nd ammendment reads..."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Are you a member of a well regulated militia? It drives me absolutly crazy when i see these youtube vids of idiots walking down the street with a m4 strapped to their back. If I see that and Im carrying we gonna have a stand off till the cops get here. Theres no reason for it. The constitution does not protect your right to carry a gun in public. It protects your right to own them. Now the brohter mentioned Maryland...I have no idea baout their laws. However, if you had an unloaded pistol in a lock box with the Ammo seperate and were pulled over on your way to the gun store and they arrested you, you would win that fight in court all day long.

To my knowledge every state has some kind of menace to society(cant think of a better way to put it).

EX: You think it is legal to carry your loaded M4 on your back down town. Someone sees it and screams "GUN!" and people take off running and some one gets hurt, you will and should be charged for that. You are the one that caused that person to get hurt, kinda like if you drive the get away car for a convience stor robbery and the guy that actually goes in kills the clerk ur getting charged with murder as well.

I am in the Army, I own guns, I carry guns I know how to use them. Most idiots that carry dont. Im not saying that you fine brothers dont know how to use them Im just saying in general.
You are completely incorrect. The militia is/was the citizens. But, I'll agree, carrying a long gun around town is bad judgement. For the record, I carry concealed everywhere I go except Lodge and some government buildings. My main passion is reenacting early American history and shooting traditional style muzzle loading firearms.
 

BigDre357

Registered User
Very nice. Were the emblems done with laser engraving?
Yes the red cover plate was a custom order from a company called Lone Wolf it is 3D cut and has a special color choosing pit on it, you can get whatever color you want the base plate on the mag is just laser engraving, I just ordered a new one with the pinky extension on it but it has the 32° on it and they are all made of metal and not polymer like the original parts they replaced.

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BigDre357

Registered User
New NDZ ALUMINUM floor plate with a 32° emblem and pinky extension for my carry mag...
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Matt L

Site Benefactor
I just joined this site a few days ago. I'm a former Marine grunt - primary marksmanship instructor and a 29 year Police officer.
I hold a Curio and relic FFL which allows me to collect military rifles and pistols.
I am a NRA pistol, rifle and shotgun instructor and a NRA-USA-SSSF National coach. I also teach the TN. handgun permit class (over 4000 and counting)
My oldest son is in college on a shooting scholarship and is a member of the US national team.

I'm a big 2nd amendment guy, but not a fan of open carry. Why in God's green earth would you sling an M4 and walk into a restaurant. Legal in some states yes, smart, not so much. If I'm a bad guy and walk into a place and see you sitting there unaware and open carrying, you're 1st on my list.

Most folks, including cops are not proficient in training. People think they get their permit, and it will somehow magically save them.

Training is key, having a plan is key. Discuss with your family what they should do if someone breaks in your house or if you get into an armed encounter in public.

Dre, your G26 is looking good! I need to get some mag plates like that for my M&P's.

S & F
 

Warrior1256

Site Benefactor
I am in Tennessee so we can carry in the car with no permit
Same here.
Those that open carry M4s and what not are looking to get a rise and possibly get grounds for suit against the department that approaches them
Even though it may be legal the only reason that I can think of for carrying a rifle around is for attention.
We were taught about the sovereign citizens when I went thru armed security training about 8 years ago and that still has me on high alert and I haven't done security in 3 years now. They are some dangerous individuals.
Agreed!
I am very pro gun and carry almost every where that I go. People carrying around rifles seem strange to me. But would I draw down on them simply because they were legally carrying it? Absolutely not!!! Here in Kentucky I would be the one going to jail!
 

BigDre357

Registered User
Same here.

Even though it may be legal the only reason that I can think of for carrying a rifle around is for attention.

Agreed!
I am very pro gun and carry almost every where that I go. People carrying around rifles seem strange to me. But would I draw down on them simply because they were legally carrying it? Absolutely not!!! Here in Kentucky I would be the one going to jail!

Same here in Tennessee, it is their choice to do that but I don't agree with it because it is like they are taunting the police and that will cause problems


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BigDre357

Registered User
I just joined this site a few days ago. I'm a former Marine grunt - primary marksmanship instructor and a 29 year Police officer.
I hold a Curio and relic FFL which allows me to collect military rifles and pistols.
I am a NRA pistol, rifle and shotgun instructor and a NRA-USA-SSSF National coach. I also teach the TN. handgun permit class (over 4000 and counting)
My oldest son is in college on a shooting scholarship and is a member of the US national team.

I'm a big 2nd amendment guy, but not a fan of open carry. Why in God's green earth would you sling an M4 and walk into a restaurant. Legal in some states yes, smart, not so much. If I'm a bad guy and walk into a place and see you sitting there unaware and open carrying, you're 1st on my list.

Most folks, including cops are not proficient in training. People think they get their permit, and it will somehow magically save them.

Training is key, having a plan is key. Discuss with your family what they should do if someone breaks in your house or if you get into an armed encounter in public.

Dre, your G26 is looking good! I need to get some mag plates like that for my M&P's.

S & F

I am not sure if they have them for those the company that makes them I think specializes in glock parts. I would love to do some training with you sometimes I know of a couple of people that would, I have my permit already but could always use more training, that is something you can never have to much if unless it is bad training lol


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Matt L

Site Benefactor
I am not sure if they have them for those the company that makes them I think specializes in glock parts. I would love to do some training with you sometimes I know of a couple of people that would, I have my permit already but could always use more training, that is something you can never have to much if unless it is bad training lol


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Bro. Dre,

Not sure where you're located. If you're not close, I could find a good coach in your area.

Marry Christmas

Matt
 

Hasaf

Registered User
I will jump in; not the argument though, just the show and tell.

This is my preferred carry method and pistol:
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About the only things I have done to it is to install the factory night sites and an slightly larger slide stop release. Neither of those are in this image.

As far as training, I loathe to say it; but my last intensive pistol training was in the California Peace Officers Academy at Butte College back in the 80's. Then I attended a regular training through the Sheriffs Department up until about ten years ago. I keep wanting to get into a civilian defensive carry class, I just never seem to be at the right time and place.

I will be among the first to agree that accuracy is not a substitute for training; but it is a part of it. Because the Glock 42 is such a hard gun to shoot well I purchased a mantis shot analyzer. Using it I have gotten very good, considering what I am using. Yes, I am still better with a 1911; but I am not going to carry a 1911.

. . . anyways, as you can see in the pictures, a Glock 42. Yes, I have my permit. There are no Masonic bits on it as I am an EA and expect to be for several years.
 

Rifleman1776

Registered User
I live in Arkansas. We have a CCW law and I carry. But, my passion for shooting is with traditional style muzzle loading rifles. My Lodge and gun club are both locate in Missouri. I have Masonic emblems on several of my reenactment items but none on my rifles. No special reason, just haven't done it yet. As an aside, at the State Historical Arkansas Museum (lovingly called 'HAM') there is displayed a beautiful flintlock longrifle that was owned by a Mason. It is heavily decorated with Masonic emblems. Interestingly, it has a 'hidden' rear sight. I have never figured out where it is.
 
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