Anti-Gay, Fornication Edict Upheld by GL in Georgia

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  1. Glen Cook

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    So. Many GLs take cognizance of all Masons within their jurisdiction. If I am sojourning in GA and I engage in the prohibited activities, am I subject to Masonic discipline there? Am I barred from Tyled meetings?
     
  2. ni3f

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    Masons have generally been two steps ahead of the general society, but not three. Georgia is entitled to do what it wants, but so am I. I am not particularly interested in having fraternal relations with benighted people. I'd be happy to sit with individuals from there or anywhere who are committed to change. More light.
     
  3. Classical

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    Being a proponent of traditional sexual morality does not make one a bigot or a racist. These kinds of accusations are offensive.
     
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  4. ni3f

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    Sure. There are people who belong to conservative religious groups that aren't "PC," and it would be wrong to call them bigots. Some people live with family dynamics making it next to impossible to embrace a more liberal form of religion. But although a mason might have issues with gay practice, I can't see discrimination against gay persons.
     
  5. dfreybur

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    It does however violate the principle of being open minded that is at the heart of Masonry when it extends to kicking out members based on the teachings of a specific religion. Our principles extend well past not-a-bigot.
     
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  6. Classical

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    So, only one group is close minded? Hmmm........
     
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  7. dconaway

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    We need more lodges like this in my opinion. Our organization was founded on God and the Bible, our founding fathers (those that were Mason's) founded this country on Godly principles. We have taken God out of everything, we have the thought police calling everything racist and we aren't suppose to discuss politics or religion during a lodge meeting. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket and it needs to turn back to God and get back on track.
    Our founding fathers took care of business of politics and met in secret, there's a difference in over throwing our government and taking it back to it put back in the hand of the people. The Godly values don't mean lack of tolerance they mean for us to abstain what is sinful and what is not, and aren't we as Mason's suppose to be a cut above or strive to be others and sinful acts.
     
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  8. NY.Light.II

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    The country established by the founders, of which I am proud to claim citizenship, was not founded on godly principles. Indeed, it is one of the few countries to have emphatically removed religion from civic discourse. The wall of separation between Church and State is essential. To quip off Reagan à la Christopher Hitchens, we must "Build up that wall."
     
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  9. dfreybur

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    I can and do love those I disagree with. I can and do judge as quality men those whose life rules are different than mine. I can and do work with those I disapprove of. I can and do entertain ideas I do not believe. I can and do separate the teachings of church from state from lodge. All these are Masonic principles.

    Dissension over this topic is exactly why we have landmarks to not discuss politics and religion. It is unfortunate that one jurisdiction ignored that and triggered a discussion that never should have happened.
     
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  10. Classical

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    Totally disagree! Our founders' discourse was shaped by language about GOD and divine principles to shape our civic polity. There is no wall. In our nation we merely refuse to sanction any one particular religion. But our nation and all of its founding documents are very much in line with Masonry, in supporting and upholding our nation's reliance upon God and God-given freedoms.
     
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  11. Classical

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    I'm not a fan of the Georgia edict, for the record. I count many people as friends who are in total disagreement with me on traditional morality and a whole host of other topics. The only thing I protest is the superficial labelling of proponents of traditional morality, with the assumption that those who work for gay acceptance are somehow more enlightened. Close-minded folks inhabit ALL religions, nationalities, moralities and cultures. There's plenty of ignorance to go around, on all sides.
     
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  12. goomba

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    I do believe the USA was founded on Biblical values, we have records of the founding fathers church membership. However, I do not see how allowing people of various sexual persuasions isn't acceptable to Masonry. I have always understood Masonry to (like the USA) not endorse any particular religion but to be open to all men who profess a belief in God.

    I see the Grand Lodge of Georgia as taken a stance on a political topic.
     
  13. Joaben

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    Difficult from Europe to understand that such a debate can stand in the middle of freemasonery.
    If you take Bible as the reference, homosexuals must be lapidated. Is it acceptable ?
    However, FM bans women, too in masonic lodges of so-called "regular" lodges !
     
  14. Warrior1256

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    If this fornication rule was enforced everywhere I would think that most of the single men under 70 years of age could be kicked out of Masonry.
     
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  15. Joaben

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    In a way ... It adresses all freemasonery (the one pretending to be "regular").
    Despite its incompatability with modern MORAL LAW, this ban is coherent with the principles of a Bible "Word of God", which means it is intemporal and active nowadays.
    If you profess an unconditional belief of what the Bible teachs about God and moral law ... it is logical to ban the gays, fornicators, etc ... Do not lapidate them, please !
    On another point ban of women, for risks of seduction means imply to ban gays too.

    Masons must not escape these challenges.
     
  16. goomba

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    That is your understanding of Biblical teachings. There are many denominations, and millions of Christians who disagree with that understanding.
     
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  17. Warrior1256

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    This guy just like to pull everyone's chain and keep an argument going. Ignore him and he will go away.
     
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  18. Glen Cook

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    Promise?
     
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  19. Brother JC

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    I often find that the Hammer is the only way to make them go away.
     
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  20. coachn

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    I don't know who you are talking about; it might be one of 6 that are on my ignore list. It's wonderful to not be bothered.
     
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