ANTIENTS vs MODERNS

Discussion in 'History and Research' started by Bloke, Jan 18, 2018.

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Good article below ?

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  1. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    ^^^THIS!
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  2. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    There was no “schism,” the Antients were a separate group, not a split. There were also the Wigans (who did leave the because of ritual).
    Now go read!
     
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  3. Ben_Zanaatkar

    Ben_Zanaatkar Banned

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    Why they decided to separate, sir?
     
  4. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    The Wigan’s left because they didn’t want the UGLE ritual.
     
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  5. Ben_Zanaatkar

    Ben_Zanaatkar Banned

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    Moderns left because Laurence Dermott (ancient) didn't like "modern ritual"?
     
  6. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    LOL! back to control...
     
  7. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    The Moderns didn’t “leave.” They were one grand lodge, the Antients were another grand lodge. They were not together until 1813.
     
  8. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    I think one thing to note is Grand Lodges are by their very nature controlling entities. I think we probably need them if we want to preserve things like being over 18, male and not letting criminals become Freemasons. What makes a GL good or bad is what they control and how they control it.
    As to the Ancients and Moderns - one thing I am always interested to know is how social class played in the divide between the two....
     
  9. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    That's not speaking very highly of the decision making capabilities of Brothers within a lodge.
     
  10. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    Indeed. That's one of the tensions.. but GLs should be there to regulate "rogue" lodges, not micromanage lodges and/or members generally.. and I am sure we have both has experience of some of the stellar decision making in lodges..
     
  11. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Regulate? No. Only acknowledge that they are not regular.
    yes, and then some.
     
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