Atheists Rant

Discussion in 'Philosophy, Religion and Spirituality' started by Blake Bowden, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. Blake Bowden

    Blake Bowden Administrator Staff Member

    Ran across this post on another forum...

    "Dear Believer,

    You asked me to consider Christianity as the answer for my life. I have done that. I consider it untrue, repugnant, and harmful.

    You expect me to believe Jesus was born of a virgin impregnated by a ghost? Do you believe all the crazy tales of ancient religions? Julius Caesar was reportedly born of a virgin; Roman historian Seutonius said Augustus bodily rose to heaven when he died; and Buddha was supposedly born speaking. You don't believe all that, do you? Why do you expect me to swallow the fables of Christianity?

    I find it incredible that you ask me to believe that the earth was created in six literal days; women come from a man's rib; a snake, a donkey, and a burning bush spoke human language; the entire world was flooded, covering the mountains to drown evil; all animal species, millions of them, rode on one boat; language variations stem from the tower of Babel; Moses had a magic wand; the Nile turned to blood; a stick turned into a snake; witches, wizards, and sorcerers really exist; food rained from the sky for 40 years; people were cured by the sight of a brass serpent; the sun stood still to help Joshua win a battle, and it went backward for King Hezekiah; men survived unaided in a fiery furnace; a detached hand floated in the air and wrote on a wall; men followed a star which directed them to a particular house; Jesus walked on water unaided; fish and bread magically multiplied to feed the hungry; water instantly turned into wine; mental illness is caused by demons; a “devil†with wings exists who causes evil; people were healed by stepping into a pool agitated by angels; disembodied voiced spoke from the sky; Jesus vanished and later materialized from thin air; people were healed by Peter's shadow; angels broke people out of jail; a fiery lake of eternal torment awaits unbelievers under the earth ... while there is life-after-death in a city which is 1,500 miles cubed, with mansions and food, for Christians only.

    If you believe these stories, then you are the one with the problem, not me. These myths violate natural law, contradict science, and fail to correspond with reality or logic. If you can't see that, then you can't separate truth from fantasy. It doesn't matter how many people accept delusions inflicted by “holy†men; a widely held lie is still a lie. If you are so gullible, then you are like the child who believes the older brother who says there is a monster in the hallway. But there is nothing to be afraid of; go turn on the light and look for yourself.

    If Christianity were simply untrue I would not be too concerned. Santa is untrue, but it is a harmless myth which people outgrow. But Christianity, besides being false, is also abhorrent. It amazes me that you claim to love the god of the bible, a hateful, arrogant, sexist, cruel being who can't tolerate criticism. I would not want to live in the same neighborhood with such a creature!

    The biblical god is a macho male warrior. Though he said “Thou shalt not kill,†he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning and mass exterminations; punishes offspring to the fourth generation (Ex. 20:5); ordered pregnant women and children to be ripped up (Hos. 13:16); demands animal and human blood to appease his angry vanity; is partial to one race of people; judges women to be inferior to men; is a sadist who created a hell to torture unbelievers; created evil (Is. 45:7); discriminated against the handicapped (Lev. 21:18-23); ordered virgins to be kept as spoils of war (Num. 31:15-18, Deut. 21:11-14); spread dung on people's faces (Mal. 2:3); sent bears to devour 42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24); punishes people with snakes, dogs, dragons, drunkenness, swords, arrows, axes, fire, famine, and infanticide; and said fathers should eat their sons (Ez. 5:10). Is that nice? Would you want to live next door to such a person?

    And Jesus is a chip off the old block. He said, “I and my father are one,†and he upheld “every jot and tittle†of the Old Testament law. Mt. 5:18 He preached the same old judgment: vengeance and death, wrath and distress, hell and torture for all nonconformists. He believed in demons, angels and spirits. He never denounced the subjugation of slaves or women. Women were excluded as disciples and as guests at his heavenly table. Except for hell he introduced nothing new to ethics or philosophy. He was disrespectful of his mother and brothers; he said we should hate our parents and desert our families. Mt. 10:35-36, Lk. 14:26 (So much for “Christian family life.â€) He denounced anger, but was often angry himself. Mt. 5:22, Mk. 3:5 He called people “fools†(Mt. 23:17,19), “serpents,†and “white sepulchers,†though he warned that such language puts you in danger of hellfire. Mt. 5:22 He said “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword." Mt. 10:34 (So much for “Peace on Earth.â€) He irrationally cursed and withered a fig tree for being barren out of season. Mt. 21:19 He mandated burning unbelievers. Jn. 15:6 (The Church has complied with relish.) He stole a horse. Lk. 19:30-33 He told people to cut off hands, feet, eyes and sexual organs. Mt. 5:29-30, 19:12 You want me to accept Jesus, but I think I'll pick my own friend, thank you.

    One of Jesus's many contradictions was saying good works should be seen, and not seen. Mt. 5:16, 6:1-4 One of his mistakes was saying that the mustard plant has the smallest seed. Mt. 13:31-32 The writers of Matthew and Luke could not even get his genealogy straight, contradicting the Old Testament, and giving Jesus two discrepant lines through Joseph, his non-father!

    I also find Christianity to be morally repugnant. The concepts of original sin, depravity, substitutionary forgiveness, intolerance, eternal punishment, and humble worship are all beneath the dignity of intelligent human beings and conflict with the values of kindness and reason. They are barbaric ideas for primitive cultures cowering in fear and ignorance.

    Finally, Christianity is harmful. More people have been killed in the name of a god than for any other reason. The Church has a shameful, bloody history of Crusades, Inquisitions, witch-burnings, heresy trials, American colonial intolerance, disrespect of indigenous traditions (such as American Indians), support of slavery, and oppression of women. Modern “fruits†of religion include the Jonestown massacre, the callous fraud of “faith healers,†recent wars and ethnic cleansing, and fighting in Northern Ireland. Religion also poses a danger to mental health, damaging self-respect, personal responsibility, and clarity of thought.

    Do you see why I do not respect the biblical message? It is an insulting bag of nonsense. You have every right to torment yourself with such insanity — but leave me out of it. I have better things to do with my life."

    I'm a Christian, but he raises some valid points...
  2. JTM

    JTM "Just in case" Premium Member

    the tone here is that he wants us to stop, but let him continue on his rant.

    either way, fine. he makes great points. if he doesn't want to participate in those parts of religion, then he doesn't have to. some people find it fulfilling, so let them do it.
  3. drapetomaniac

    drapetomaniac Premium Member Premium Member

    This is a good collection of frequently misused scripture.

    I had fun with an atheist once with a similar rant, but I pointed out to him all of his scripture references were Old Testament and suggested he go to a Jewish forum to discuss why he hated the Jews so much....

    These guys usually "don't have a problem with Judaism" even though they usually cite it as the most violent parts and objections.

    I don't think any religion will have the destructive impact governments used Christianity for. And while we can say "it wasn't real Christianity" - it was definitely institutional Christianity and heavily documented, debated and executed Christianity. I'm also ok acknowledging those past problems so they don't go repeated. If we play them down now, they get played down when they start to get re-enacted.
  4. Dave in Waco

    Dave in Waco Premium Member

    I believe his whole arguement is based on the Bible being a literial, exact, unfoulable text. The Bible is filled with symbolism and allegory that has been translated and revised by man over time. Even the creation of the universe in 6 days is relative. Time is relative. A day by definition is the time it takes for a planetary rotation. So how long is a day before there are planets? It is only assumed that a day is on Earth, but even that is relative. A day on Earth hasn't always been 24 hours either. So who's to say that a cosmic day when creating the universe isn't the billions of years science says it took for the Earth to come into being?

    I believe that many of the stories inthe Bible are metaphorical in nature. Plus some things are lost in translation. We know for fact that the Bible has been changed from the time of the Dead Sea Scrolls to present day. Some changes created by translations from one language to another, other were purposely done to reflect the climate and beliefs of the people at the time. Just take the conspiracies that have sprang up just from one word in the Bible for Masons, "lucifer". I think it would be illogical that would be the only one.

    And the New Testiment was actually decided on by a committee. They decided what to include, what not to include, and what needed editing.

    He does make some valid points if the Bible is taken as an unerroring, literial account of history. But, I think that is main error. He considers the Bible to be unerroring, but not God himself. And as every Mason can tell you who ever encountered a anti-Masonic conspiracy theorist, even the tiniest error is taken as absolute fact and truth.

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