Becoming worshipful master of your lodge

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by jermy Bell, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Glen Cook

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    My UGLE lodge met for about 100 years at pubs and inns. One of the Cheshire lodges meets st the Alma Hotel.
    Eltham Palace Lodge in London meets at the Eltham Palace Hotel. Christopher Diehl Lodge (Utah) sold their building and meets at a hotel. St Andrew’s lodge (Utah) met yesterday at the Alta Club.
     
  2. Brother_Steve

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    I have a have a policy in place. If you are going to make a motion, come to me before the meeting with what you're going to propose. We will talk about it. If it is bad for the lodge or it requires more thought, it won't be heard that night.

    I would always consult my wardens and part masters before flat out saying no. However, if you still stand up under new business, you're not going to be acknowledged unless I know you have other business that has been agreed upon.
     
  3. Glen Cook

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    If, in your view, it is bad for the lodge, will it be heard eventually?
     
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  4. jermy Bell

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    Not good business. But like I've been told, it is up to the worshipful master to run his lodge as he sees fit. But I guess it only falls down to who will keep coming back for that masonic year and who won't be back at all.
     
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  5. Brother_Steve

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    I bring everything like this before my wardens, secretary and treasurer so I get different viewpoints
     
  6. Brother_Steve

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    It's common courtesy to let the master know what you're thinking before a meeting. Sometimes certain things are proposed by a brother that is above and beyond the normal request for money.

    IE we have a charity budget. All requests for charity get funnelled through the charity committee. They include me in their decision making. If they find it worthy and within reason, they present it to the lodge to be voted on.

    Otherwise, we would have to entertain every motion for charity and spending can get out of control.
     
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  7. Glen Cook

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    Ok. But the question remains: if in your view the motion is bad, will it ever come before the brethren?
     
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  8. Bill Lins

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    While what you're saying is true, EVERY Brother has the right to speak. To deny a Brother his right is, to say the least, unMasonic. If you cannot have a civil discussion with differing viewpoints and maintain peace & harmony, you might want to rethink your style of "leadership".
     
  9. jermy Bell

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    SO MOTE IT BE !
     
  10. Pointwithinacircle3

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    Um, are you sure? My understanding is that no Mason has the right to speak in Lodge without the Worshipful Masters permission. Also, that the WM can instantly gavel down any member at any time. As I understand Masonic law, it is the WM job to direct and govern his Lodge as he sees fit. I am interested in having one of your civil discussions with any one who has a differing opinion.
     
  11. jermy Bell

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    In our lodge, we are given the right by the worshipful master to make a motion, or discuss anything in open lodge. Some things you may not like, but you aren't beatin down and told to shut up. And actually in the end no one goes home mad. We are given a small amount of time to make our statement, and discussion, and then move on to other new business. But we all have a voice. In our lodge and we get a lot covered. But yes, the master has the right to not hear discussion, or continue it as old business.
     
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  12. Glen Cook

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    I admit my own style of leadership has evolved over the years to one tending toward guidance and persuasion and structuring of the debate, rather than prohibiting discussion. Yes, in many Lodges* the master can prohibit discussion on legitimate matters. But is this style of leadership one that leads towards happiness within the lodge?

    Sometimes, people just wish to know that they have had a fair shake. To refuse them the opportunity to have their concern heard by their peers can lead to a sense of disenfranchisement, resentment, and a sense that they are of less worth.

    “There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.”

    1 Corinthians 14:10.

    *Grand body sessions are more formal, but even in that venue the presiding officer may not refuse to hear matters properly raised, depending on the jurisdiction.
     
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  13. TheThumbPuppy

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    I have no experience in leading a Lodge, but this is certainly true leading a team at work or in a volunteer organisation. I find that people most of all want to know that they have been heard. The majority is prepared to compromise and have their wishes postponed or rejected as long as they know that you've taken them seriously into consideration. A very small minority will end up disenfranchised and resentful no matter what you do.
     
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  14. Glen Cook

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    and, on occasion, some need to be disenfranchised.
     
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  15. Keith C

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    While I understand the desirability of having anyone be heard, I also have seen meetings drag on for hours as anyone and everyone wants to bring up their pet project, complaint, charity or point of information. There is ample time between and before meetings to approach the appropriate committees or the WM or one of the Wardens to bring up whatever issue you may have and want to discuss. If a Brother stands and wants to discuss some proposal that has not been previously discussed preliminarily outside of the Tyled meeting, I will direct them to the appropriate Committee and the members thereof to discuss. I won't "gavel someone down" but will ask if they discussed it with "X" committee and if they haven't I direct them to do so and have the Committee bring forth a motion if appropriate.
     
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  16. Bill Lins

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    Legally, the WM DOES have those powers. A GOOD WM will only use them extremely sparingly. A heavy-handed WM will learn the meaning of the phrase "voting with their feet" when he is sitting alone on his throne, wondering where his Brethren have gone. To lead by persuasion, after giving every Brother who so desires the opportunity to speak their piece, constitutes "best practice" in the East. The willingness to cheerfully accept a situation where one loses the vote is an admirable trait in a WM. "Servant leadership" should always be the goal in volunteer organizations such as our Fraternity.
     
  17. jermy Bell

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    Harmony being the strength and support of all institutions, especially ours.
     
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  18. Bill Lins

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    A few years back, there arose some contention in one of my Lodges. Some EVIL PM, who shall remain nameless ;), stopped by the grocery store on the way to the next meeting. When Lodge was opened there was a can of peas & a can of hominy sitting upon the WM's podium as a not-so-subtle reminder to all. It worked.
     
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  19. jermy Bell

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    What is the meaning behind it ?
     
  20. Glen Cook

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    It is an incredibly bad old man pun (we do those things).
     
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