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Would you allow visitation

  1. Yes.

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    86.4%
  2. No.

    11 vote(s)
    13.6%
  1. Tony Siciliano

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    GLoNC finally recognized PHM last year.

    In my Masonic experience, the brethren in PHM are some of the most enthusiastic and learned Freemasons I have ever met.

    Unfortunately, PHM is a target for MANY, MANY bogus African-American Grand Lodges. There are 16 bogus GLs in Texas...
     
  2. Jacob Johnson

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    I like "traveling". If we allowed visitation, I'd LOVE to go visit a PH lodge. I can't think of any reason to disallow visitation. If the traditions are THAT different, just restrict visitation to MMs only.

    and i did vote yes.
     
  3. poppatattoo

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    As a Prince Hall Mason I would love to see how the 4 letters do it, I know things can't be that different. When this is allowed come and see us Pride Of The South lodge 324
     
  4. Tony Siciliano

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    "the 4 letters"? I've never heard that before. What does that mean?
     
  5. Jacob Johnson

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    i think it means AFAM vs PHA
     
  6. Bill Lins

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    AF&AM vs. F&AM
     
  7. Tony Siciliano

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    Got it. That's what I thought!
     
  8. barryguitar

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    In this hypothetical situation, Are they offering to turn in their Grand Charter, and come in under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge of Texas, and agreeing to abide by the Laws there-of?
    Then Yes, absolutely.
     
  9. Beathard

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    Neither side is likely to ever turn in their grand charter to join the other. Visitation is probably the next step.
     
  10. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    I take your answer to mean that, if they remained independent, you would not allow visitation- is that correct?
     
  11. Beathard

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    Other grand lodges are independent (e.g. Maine), yet we still can visit. Texas says PH is regular, but does not allow visitation. It's just strange.
     
  12. Brent Heilman

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    I believe Oklahoma is the same way also. Indeed it is strange. I don't agree with it and hope that in the future it will change.
     
  13. Txmason

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    No I would not want it
     
  14. Brent Heilman

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    I was wrong on the above statement. Oklahoma does allow visitation. I apologize for my misinformation.
     
  15. Bill Lins

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    Would you mind telling us why not?
     
  16. Bill Lins

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    I seem to remember that, when Oklahoma first recognized PHA, they did not allow visitation but have since changed their minds.
     
  17. Brent Heilman

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    You are correct sir. When they first did it they only recognized them with no visitation. A committee was formed that came up with the guidelines that allowed visitation.

    Sent from my iPhone using Freemasonry
     
  18. Bill Lins

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    Any chance you could post a copy of those guidelines for us?
     
  19. Brent Heilman

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    View attachment 1954


    No problem. I posted a power point presentation on another thread but I don't remember which one. The power point will show both the old compact, the proposed changes, and the new compact that was signed. Anyway, here it is.
     
  20. Mac

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    Thank you for sharing, brother.
     

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