GETTING HEALED

Discussion in 'Becoming a Prince Hall Freemason' started by JB93, May 11, 2016.

  1. Ressam

    Ressam Registered User

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    Hello, Mr.Glen.
    Also -- To make good men better?
    But, why, then, he have to be "healed"?
     
  2. Ressam

    Ressam Registered User

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    Mr.JC, thanks for Your answer!
    Pseudo/false-masons are makin' fraud. But, is it only -- "financial issue"? Maybe, there's also sth. else? IMHO -- bein' Mason is -- Big Responsibility. Strange.
     
  3. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Not in my view; to simply keep up numbers and revenue and keep buildings open.

    In any case, as he he has not been through a process under the auspices of a legitimate GL, the prior acts are not recognized. It is as if he received a degree from a university which was not accredited. An accredited university would require him to take the classes over.
     
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  4. Ressam

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    :) Thanks.
    But, why aren't you, "fighting" with them? I know, this may be a stupid question! Cause you don't have "copyrights" on The Freemasonry. But, anyway. Why don't you make "influence/pressure" on these clandestine guys?! So that they should stop their "business"? Or movement, whatever.
     
  5. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    This is America. We have various freedoms, including the freedom to be in error
     
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  6. Kenneth NC Mason

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    The way we do it in NC is you have a one time initiation fee which also covers your first years dues as a MM. After that you pay your yearly lodges dues which in mine are $65 which makes joining York Rite not that big of a hassle lol


    I might also add, if you have to retake the degrees again, it's not a bad thing. They are so packed full of learning and symbolism that you'll be wanting to come back for more.

    Best wishes in your journey



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  7. Ressam

    Ressam Registered User

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    Understood.
    They don't "damage" True Masonry, probably.
     
  8. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    To the contrary. I think they cause great damage to the reputation of our PHA brethren particularly. Many do not separate out the clandestine and the legitimate, and all of us are labelled by their dishonesty, vulgarity and intemperance.
     
  9. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    That'll never happen. These clandestine lodges make too much revenue to shut down.
     
  10. BullDozer Harrell

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    Actually there has been legal actions filed in U.S. Courts to counter bogus Masonry's existence & growth. But unfortunately, litigation is not cheap.
    What happens after a so-called victory in the Courts is that Clandestine organizations change their names and re-surface as a new organization.


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  11. Ressam

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    Thanks for the answer, Sir!
     
  12. Ripcord22A

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    I don't see why all of the GLs and PHGLs can come together and copyright the S&C of all 3 degrees for our use only, shit even name every GL recognized by the UGLE in the co-claimants sections so that ever regular and recognized GL can use it and no one else can
     
  13. dfreybur

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    S&C has been in use so long it is in the public domain.

    Clandestine jurisdictions that try to use the same names as regular jurisdictions can't get corporate charters. The fact that jurisdictions own non-profit corporations and corporations have charters is confusing to folks who are not aware of what lodge warrants and charters are. The word overlap between a lodge's charter and a corporation's charter confuses some into thinking that jurisdictions have lodge style charters issued by parent GLs. Some do but it's not a standard.

    Court cases are expensive. Founding a clandestine lodge is cheap in comparison. It's a losing battle to go after clandestine jurisdiction after clandestine jurisdiction. Especially since many clandestine lodges are forces for good in their communities and most members have no idea they joined a clandestine lodge, suing clandestine jurisdiction is counter to our purposes in certain ways.
     
  14. Warrior1256

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    Same here in Kentucky.
     
  15. king82

    king82 Registered User

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    I did that I'm mainstream mm. That is a bylaws thing usually depends on the lodge. That's the way I was raised but we recently changed our bylaws. Its all at once now
     
  16. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Under the Grand Lodge of Texas, we pay for each degree. (Getting tired of using mainstream so I will just state my grand lodge)
     
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  17. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    Personally speaking, I like that MUCH better than "George Washington" or other such nonsense.
     
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  18. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Lol. I think would choose mainstream over George Washington.
     
  19. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    I dislike "mainstream" because (in my mind) it makes PHA sound subordinate. "GL of..." and "PHGL of...."
     
  20. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    So would I but I like your solution even more.
     
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