GL of Denmark

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  1. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

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    This photo appeared in the "OREGON MASONIC NEWS"....its of the GL of Denmark my question is....why is the S&C upside down?[​IMG]

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  2. Bloke

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    Good spot and I have no idea.... but you're not the first person to notice, apparently there is also one in NZ
    http://www.masonforum.com/viewthread/9583/

    This one also mentions it and someone gives and explanation https://www.freemasons.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=146 saying it is the symble of the United Order of Carpenters https://www.carpenters.org/todays_ubc_top_nav/The_UBC_Emblem.aspx
    Also http://forum.thefreemason.com/Topic55753.aspx
    And https://www.facebook.com/MasonicGra...9616703103398/842923102439419/?type=1&theater

    Interesting stuff.. but I have no first hand knowledge of the inverted S&Q
     
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  4. dfreybur

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    It sort of makes sense for a Grand Lodge. With the S&C the "right side up" orientation is how we last saw it as a candidate receiving our degrees. With the S&C the "upside down" orientation is how someone conferring a degree sees them. If deliberate it can mean "We confer degrees".

    Some jurisdictions have a tradition of wearing the MM ring oriented like that. Put your hand out on a table in front of you. Orient the S&C the way you last had your hand on them. "Right side up" if you were a candidate. "Upside down" if you conferred the degree.

    On the outside of a building it's a bit to obscure for me to be deliberate. I think someone didn't know what orientation was expected when they put it up.
     
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  5. SimonM

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    The S&C är not upside down. They got it just the way it should be according to the rite :)


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  6. Ripcord22A

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    the Swedish Rite? Why are they that way?
     
  7. SimonM

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    Why are we so strange? I guess we just want feel like we are special ;)


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  8. Ripcord22A

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    no I mean why is the S&C inverted from the rest of the world?
     
  9. SimonM

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    Hard to answer that on a public forum, but we have had it that way at least since 1800 when Duke Charles made his last revision.
     
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  10. Brother JC

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    @Ripcord22A You need to get stationed in Scandinavia so you can research this!
     
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  12. SørenSweR(I)

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    Dear brother Ripcord, as Simon says (no pun intended) we can't answer this in the open. But, just by reading up on the Swedish Rite, and being well versed in standard masonic symbolism - you should be able to figure it out yourself. I did (at least in a simplified version)
     
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  13. Elexir

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    It would in general be intressting to see how the americans here reacts to our ritual.
     
  14. Matt L

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    I grew up in New York. The United Order of Carpenters was (is) (?) a very large union there. I had a neighbor that was a member and displayed the inverted S&C on his car. I would see it at union jobs, my dad was a tradesman and I would go on jobs with him.
     
  15. Bloke

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    I wonder if that represents an appropriation of a Masonic symbol or something to do with the Union having an association with the Swedish Rite ?
    (not going to google, did that last night for another question and lost 3 hours.. but uncovered a great yarn :) )
     
  16. Elexir

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    Its not related. The order of carpenters seems to be american and formed in 1880. The Swedish rite rituals goes back to swedish nobility around 1801.
     
  17. Bloke

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    Bro, the question respectfully still stands. For instance, I have a barber in this city who uses the scissors and combs in a Square and Compass shape. The reason for this appropriation is the Barber is Freemason. One might look to see if any of the Union Founders might have been from a Country where the Swiss Rite appears (and yes yes.. who has time for that LOL).
     
  18. Elexir

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    The founders where american so no direct connections there.
    https://www.carpenters.org/about-ubc/21st-century-union/the-ubc-emblem/ dont even use the masonic terms.
     
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