Discussion in 'Becoming a Freemason' started by Chicago Glenn, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Chicago Glenn

    Chicago Glenn Registered User

    So, I sat down with the individual claiming to be my Intender. I has read that the Intender is supposed to be my guide, a "trusted friend." Within a few minutes, my entire first degree became an unadulterated farce. I swore not to divulge the secrets and rituals of Masonry to any non-Mason...or so I thought. He said that most of the guys that memorize the "long form" have their wives ask the questions. I thought it was a test or a bad joke. It wasn't. I pressed. He was dead serious. He did the short form. However, that was how he got through, as well. I talked to someone from another Lodge. He laughed tragically and said absolutely not. That's not the way it was supposed to be. When I brought it to the attention of another member of the Lodge, the recent former worshipful master, he said he would pass along my "concerns." My concerns? If those vows mean nothing, why take them at all if you are going to contradict them days later? Is this practice just indicative of Illinois or is this widespread in the United States?
  2. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

    Hello Brother.

    This is a tricky one - and it depends on the specifics your obligation and the local Masonic culture.

    I know many Brethren who practice with a wife or daughter. They openly admit this and would not be brought up on a Masonic Charge here. However, the wife or daughter will not know the "Secrets" of Freemasonry as we (those in my Constitution) define them. These are the ways we recognize each other a Freemasons. For us, to reveal those other than an approved candidate or Freemason is to break our obligation. However, I could give a charge (like the working tools) in public and not be breaking my obligation - because it contains no "secrets". I used to leave my ritual beside the bed and my ex said she read it, I had no problem with that, because all the secrets were left as blanks.

    Freemasonry is symbolic in many ways (indeed many rituals might say that very thing), and it confused the hell of our me we promised not to write the secrets yet had a ritual book. We can do that, as I later discovered, because the ritual books has blanks where the "secrets".

    As an EA (I assume you are one) always err on the side of caution and follow your rules as you see them and your conciseness. For me, I only practice ritual with other Freemasons, but also have developed a much stronger understanding of Freemasonry over time and understand things which, at first view, confused the hell out me...
  3. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

    Here (Texas) it would get one expelled.
  4. David612

    David612 Registered User

    In my jurisdiction if it is written then it it’s not “secret”. I personally don’t talk ritual with anyone who isn’t a mason and in person but that’s me.
  5. Keith C

    Keith C Registered User

    Here in PA our Ritual Manual is not to be read by any non-Mason. The only things that could be practiced with a non-Mason's assistance are the 3 Degree Charges, which are printed separately and the "Public" versions of the Officer's Installation Charges, as they are done in an untyled environment.
  6. Jim Licquia

    Jim Licquia Registered User

    A different Intender question. My Intender has been great in guiding me through the first two degrees, with one left. I will be raised sometime in the next month. My question is would it be inappropriate to offer him or his family a modest gift of some sort such as a gift certificate to a restaurant; or a Lodge donation in his name as a way of saying thank you?
  7. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

    I see nothing wrong with that. I gave my instructor a gift after turning in my MM work and I've had students do the same for me. It is a token of gratitude from those who understand the great amount of time & effort their instructors put in to teach them.
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