Irregular lodge?

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  1. MBC

    MBC Twice Registered User Premium Member

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    When talking about the warrants of lodge, I visited a very historical lodge last Monday and their lodge warrant is just like the things that we can see in the museum, very oldish but prestigious. The warrant is issued by the Grand Lodge of England in 1777. This is quite shocked for me to see it because normally I only see some "modern"(20th Century) warrants.
     
  2. Glen Cook

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    What Lodge?
     
  3. MBC

    MBC Twice Registered User Premium Member

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    The Indefatigable Lodge No.237, now under the jurisdiction of UGLE, the oldest lodge in my province.
     
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  4. MBC

    MBC Twice Registered User Premium Member

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    Would like to have a share again.
    I visited a Masonic Hall in South West England and one of those lodges is under the UGLE jurisdiction. However they don't have a warrant or charter on it as they existed even longer than the Grand Lodge of England.
     
  5. Psalm 133

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    Nobody owns a trademark or copyright on the square and compasses or on Masonic ritual. Someone could create "The Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Thunder" in their garage and there's nothing anyone could do about it. But, with only a few exceptions these clandestine groups tend to extinguish themselves pretty quickly due to mismanagement.

    However, there are groups like the Grand Orient de France which is very similar to the Masonry that you and I practice, but with some key differences that prevent intervisitation. Personally I consider them to be practicing Masonry, even if I would not be able to communicate Masonically or sit in lodge with them. It's just a different sort of Masonry. This is to be distinguished from the exploitative character of most clandestine lodges, which tend to charge insane dues and engage in violent hazing.
     
  6. Glen Cook

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    Which Lodge?
     
  7. MBC

    MBC Twice Registered User Premium Member

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    Forgot need to find it back.
     
  8. LAMason

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    I do not claim to be an expert on the UGLE or its history, but as I understand it, the only UGLE Lodges that could operate without a warrant would be the four time immemorial lodges that formed the Premier Grand Lodge of England/Grand Lodge of London and Westminster/Grand Lodge of England. Of those 3 are still in existence. Hopefully some of our UGLE members will correct me if I am wrong.

    “Goose and Gridiron Ale-house in St. Paul's Church-yard (Lodge now called Lodge of Antiquity No. 2); the Crown Ale-house in Parker's Lane off Drury Lane; theApple-Tree Tavern in Charles Street, Covent Garden (Lodge now called Lodge of Fortitude and Old Cumberland No. 12); and theRummer and Grapes Tavern in Channel Row, Westminster (Lodge now called Royal Somerset House and Inverness Lodge No. IV).”

    http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/Premier_Grand_Lodge_of_England

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    http://www.freemasonry.london.museum/resources/lanes-masonic-records/
     
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  9. Rifleman1776

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    Your basic question is simple to answer. Call the Grand Secretary of the GL of Texas and ask.
     
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  10. Warrior1256

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    Very simple solution.
     
  11. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    I recall reading that of those 4 lodges the oldest at the time was 50 years old and the youngest was 5 years old. I dare say there was a certain amount of derision from the many other London lodges of the claims of being time immemorial.

    Still it seems that any lodges can break away and form their own grand lodge (combined meeting) and that ultimately it is longevity that gives legitimacy.
     
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