Is there a specific color and styles for the Worshipful Masters hat.

[Warrior1256]

My understanding is that a GL charters subordinate lodges...then if these lodges are in an area with no GL and there are at least 3 lodges in that area they can join together and form a GL and in doing so they then turn in the charters to the orig GL then issue charters to those 3 lodges, but the GL doesn't have a charter.

Thats was what the meaning behind what I said, sometimes I dont get my point across in english though. The GL of NY charterd the first lodges as well as giving the rituals.

Got it. Thanks for the info.

 

[Ripcord22A]

Thats was what the meaning behind what I said, sometimes I dont get my point across in english though. The GL of NY charterd the first lodges as well as giving the rituals.

No worries bro! I wasnt sure cause every jurisdiction is different, especially over seas

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[Glen Cook]

My understanding is that a GL charters subordinate lodges...then if these lodges are in an area with no GL and there are at least 3 lodges in that area they can join together and form a GL and in doing so they then turn in the charters to the orig GL then issue charters to those 3 lodges, but the GL doesn't have a charter.

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Just as a clarification: a GL can establish another GL. See Page 7, Pt 1. http://ugle.org.uk/document-archive...for-the-guidance-of-members-of-the-craft/file

 

[Ripcord22A]

Just as a clarification: a GL can establish another GL. See Page 7, Pt 1. http://ugle.org.uk/document-archive...for-the-guidance-of-members-of-the-craft/file

Can of worms opened....
1)it says "His revealed will....." What if the candidate belives in a female deity?
2)it talks about sovernign jurisdiction, how do provincial GLs fit in to that as they are over the lodges but the GL is over them?
3)it says "no Masonic Intercourse.......with bodies that admit women to membership" so if they are saying that having Masonic Intercourse with bodies that admit women(Eastern Star) makes you clandestine, are they essentially saying that all GLs, that allow their membership to join OES, are clandestine? Or is the thought that OES isnt "Masonic Communication?"

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[Glen Cook]

Can of worms opened....
1)it says "His revealed will....." What if the candidate belives in a female deity?
2)it talks about sovernign jurisdiction, how do provincial GLs fit in to that as they are over the lodges but the GL is over them?
3)it says "no Masonic Intercourse.......with bodies that admit women to membership" so if they are saying that having Masonic Intercourse with bodies that admit women(Eastern Star) makes you clandestine, are they essentially saying that all GLs, that allow their membership to join OES, are clandestine? Or is the thought that OES isnt "Masonic Communication?"

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Noting I do not speak for UGLE...

1. Hmm. Perhaps it is using the masculine pronoun as inclusive in the way we refer to man, but refer to mankind?

2. Correct, PGLs are not sovereign. They are an administrative device. They do not warrant lodges or issue GL certificates to members.

3. OES is the body which admits women, not GLs. It is OES which can't play in our club.

 

[Ripcord22A]

Noting I do not speak for UGLE...

1. Hmm. Perhaps it is using the masculine pronoun as inclusive in the way we refer to man, but refer to mankind?

2. Correct, PGLs are not sovereign. They are an administrative device. They do not warrant lodges or issue GL certificates to members.

3. OES is the body which admits women, not GLs. It is OES which can't play in our club.

Well Id say your our resident UGLE expert....lol....thanks for clarify that.

Btw...i sent you a PM

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[BullDozer Harrell]

GLs can declare themselves or be chartered by another GL.

Even if the declare themselves they will still have Foundation Documents. Some have a declaration, we have Articles of Union.... maybe people also call these charters ?

???

 

[Brother JC]

And to really stir the pot, how about the one US GL that was formed by individual Masons, not a group of Lodges?

 

[Warrior1256]

And to really stir the pot, how about the one US GL that was formed by individual Masons, not a group of Lodges?

Which one was that?

 

[Brother JC]

NJ

 

[Warrior1256]

NJ

Cool!

 

[Bloke]

???

I think Bro Glen covered this

Just as a clarification: a GL can establish another GL. See Page 7, Pt 1. http://ugle.org.uk/document-archive...for-the-guidance-of-members-of-the-craft/file

 

[Glen Cook]

And to really stir the pot, how about the one US GL that was formed by individual Masons, not a group of Lodges?

I recollect a consensus that TN was formed by a convention of Masons

 

[Brother JC]

I recollect a consensus that TN was formed by a convention of Masons

It was originally the GL of NC & TN, and then TN formed its own, but I was pretty certain several lodges were involved. I'll have to dig into my files for my sources, but I researched it previously as part of GLNM's genealogy.

 

[Brother JC]

"On December 27, 1813, in Knoxville, representatives for eight Lodges met and formed the Grand Lodge of Tennessee."
There we go...