Islam and Freemasonry

Discussion in 'Freemasonry In Texas' started by Jimmy91, Jun 22, 2016.

  1. Bro Asad

    Bro Asad Premium Member

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    Salaam good sir
    Freemasonry in no way conflicts with your personal beliefs. All that is required in terms of belief is that you believe in a supreme being and the immortality of the soul. There are many Christian undertones within the craft and you are given a bible upon being raised; you seem like a level-headed gentleman and understand that there is a wealth of valuable information found within the Bible as well as the Quran, Torah, Vedas, etc. Do not be dissuaded from Freemasonry if you (might) feel that it is reserved for just men of Christian faith. It's a wonderful journey and learning experience, as a Muslim, Christian, Jew, or whatever your faith may be.
    I hope to call you my brother soon.
     
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  2. Jimmy91

    Jimmy91 Registered User

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    Bro Asad
    Peace be unto you also brother and I hope so also; I called a Prince Hall Lodge and they haven't got back to me so I was thinking should I just attempt a mainstream lodge. I'm not sure I am really interested but I'm from New York not Texas so it's hard to meet people that can help guide me on ground here; it'd be nice if someone near Fort Hood, TX would PM me so I can attempt to meet someone and move forward because I have no doubts that I can be accepted I'm a guy who wants nothing but good for my family and people


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  3. fawad ali

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    Dear,
    I'm a muslim and a freemason.
    For me both are totally compatible as both ask you to work first on your insight, trying to know you than beleive in good and create the fraternity amongs others. Believing in a entity who had create everything where you can get back to have peace its something universal, with different names amongs all the religions around the world.
    Hope its help to make your mind
     
  4. Bloke

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    Don't forget we're volunteers and it can take some time to get back to people. Last year when our secretary died, some of our potential candidates got ignored for months (they were very understanding).
     
  5. The Undertaker

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    To be frank, I have concerns that maybe someone may be able to help me with. I may be completely wrong (and I hope I am), but aren't non-Muslims considered "infidels" according to Islamic teaching? And aren't "infidels," such as Jews and Christians, unworthy of Muslim friendship? My point is this: would a Muslim Mason ever be compelled to turn on another Mason, say a Jewish Mason, or a Christian Mason, since such are (?) considered infidels? I'm not talking about faith, I'm talking about principle. Or does a Mason, who is Muslim, consider our brotherhood sacred, and truly believe that his Jewish and Christian (and any other faith) brothers are equal? With so much unrest in the world concerning Islam, my trust-factor is curious, as well as dubious.

    And if Islam truly teaches that all others than Muslims are infidels, and unworthy, how does Masonry and Islam truly, really fit? Are Muslim Masons living not in-step with Islamic foundations, beliefs, teachings?

    Are the teachings, foundations, principles of Islam more vital, more important, than the tenets of Freemasonry? When it comes down to brass tacks, will Muslim brothers turn on non-Muslim brothers?

    Thank you for any decent input. Nasty comments, snarky attitudes have no place here. But constructive, helpfulness does.
     
  6. MRichard

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    As someone who has belonged to lodges with Muslim brothers, it is not an issue. I am not an expert on Islam not do I claim to be. If you do your due diligence on a candidate before he comes in the West gate, you should be able to weed out the bad apples regardless of which religion they believe in.
     
  7. The Undertaker

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    Thank you very much. Your comments are helpful in (re) forming my thoughts.
     
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  8. mrpierce17

    mrpierce17 KOP Council director / Lodge instructor Premium Member

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    I know quite a few Muslims that have no problem with people who are Christians or even Jews for that matter sounds like this information may have come from someone who was very radicalized in there belief the same could be said about a radical Christian person the gentleman has already previously stated that he would have no problem befriending people of different faiths
     
  9. Bloke

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    I'm a proud 'infidel' just as my Muslim friends and brothers are proud 'infidels' and/or "pagans" to me: its a relative term. They have a strong enough faith in "Allah" and I have a strong enough faith in "God" to let our respective Fathers sort it out. For me, love one another is the greatest commandment and seems to serve all well.

    Islam, like Christianity, is a diverse religion and the type of man from each tradition who joins and stays in Freemasonry will recognize the Brotherhood of man, regardless of each individual religion which, as Freemasons, we should respect.
     
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  10. The Undertaker

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    @ MrPierce17, thank you again. My questions are not is Masonry compatible with Islam; my questions are about Islam being compatible with Masonry. And you're correct, the information that I've gleaned may be incorrect, and I'm open to correction. But, unlike your good-self, my brother no Muslim has responded to my post.

    @ bloke, thank you for your response. I am not asking for personal opinion, but facts, to steer me in the correct direction. To you, infidel and pagen (?) are relative terms. I do not understand that comment. "Love one another . . . " is a wholly Christian term, and I would agree with your assertion that it is the greatest commandment; but, I still ask if that hold true for Muslims toward non-Muslims. I, a Freemason, respect all religions, including Islam, if that was, indeed, your question/insinuation. Again, that is not my question: my question lies in whether Islam respects Freemasonry, and non-Muslim Masons.
     
  11. Bloke

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    My mother lodge has 2 Muslims, my second lodge has....5 or 6 that i can think of. One of the Muslim in my mother lodge is a PM twice and has been a member of Grand Teams. Obviously hanging out with Christians is not an issue for these Muslim Brothers. These are facts not opinions. Two bros i am very close two are Muslims, met their families, had them in my house etc.... our respective religions do not affect our ability to be friends or brothers.

    Islam as a whole is a large umbrella term. There will be Muslim sects who officially condemn freemasonry, just as there are Christian Churches who do.
     
  12. Ressam

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    Greetings, Sir!
    If it has to be said shortly:
    Islam is -- From GAOTU.
    Have no doubt about that!
    The issue is that -- as always, and, after so many years, some people like interpretetin' The Teaching in accordance with their -- personal ego's, selfishness, fantasies, benefits.
    So simple.
     
  13. Bloke

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    Who the holy men in Mecca, Rome or Canterbury call non-believers will vary, hence "infidel" is a relative term.
     
  14. mrpierce17

    mrpierce17 KOP Council director / Lodge instructor Premium Member

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    as someone who has practiced Islam I can assure you that the koran teaches love the term Muslim only means one who submits to the will of Allah Allah being God one could say we are all Muslim if we are submitting to the will of God , the answer to your question may differ from person to person that depends on the amount of love and respect they have for their fellow man but does the teachings of Islam go against Freemasonry I would have to say no
     
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  15. The Undertaker

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    Excellent points, especially the reflection of condemnation of Freemasonry by Christian churches. True, unfortunately. My dealings with Muslims have been professional, and not Masonic. And your experiences have been good in lodge, which is valuable information for those of us without such associations.

    I find it intriguing/bothersome that there has been no feedback, no input whatsoever to our conversation by any Muslim. That in itself makes me suspect all the more. Religion has innumerable facets, levels, interpretations (as individual as the believer), so most likely my queries are moot. With world-wide upheaval, terrorism, and evil today surrounding Islam, I remain dubious, due in large part to the seeming lack of concern from non-fanatical, non-violent Muslims in the United States about fanatical, violent Muslim activities, including killings, in our country. I do not recall any out-pour of sympathy, much less outrage by Muslims, after the September, 2001 New York City/Pennsylvania terrorist attacks. If I stand to be corrected, so be it. My dis/mistrust of Islam is not unfounded, nor unique, or isolated.

    This is the very crux of my concern; where does Islam stop, and Freemasonry begin? Or, where does Freemasonry stop, and Islam begin? During this country's own Civil War, there was consideration when Freemasonry was shared, even between enemies. Would that hold true between Islamic Masons and non-Islamic Masons? Lots to consider beyond religion, I realize. Principle, background, and myriad subjective ideas for Muslim, and non-Muslim.
     
  16. The Undertaker

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    So simple is an interpretation as well. A prevalent mind-set is that Islam "simply" wants to convert the entire world to Islam, as set-out in the Koran. But that is definitely not simple. There is no other religion so determined at any cost, whether "From GAOTU." or not. Freemasonry is a safe-haven for all religions, not just one. Are the two in-congruent??? There in lies the tale.
     
  17. Ressam

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    If possible, could You, please, tell -- where in Kuran -- it's written that -- "Entire World should be 'converted' to Islam"?
    Surah number. Thanks.
     
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  18. Bloke

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    Some Muslim brother will see it at some point and hopefully chime in. Australian and many other Muslim leaders condemned 9/11 etc etc. I would suggest if you have not seen such condemnations, it strongly reflects the media you watch or read.

    See
    http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...eaders-condemn-orlando-terror-attack-2850344/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea
    That's all typical....

    I woulds suggest Islam is not the problem you refer to above, it's extremism. Respectfully I would suggest you think on this.... who exactly is resisting "ISIS/L" on the ground ? It's other Muslims.....

    To continue further risks running us into both religion AND politics, two topics we should try to steer clear of, but I know Muslim extremists represent my Muslim friends as much as Robert Lewis Dear represents my view of Christianity.

    Let's not also not forget this whole thread was started by an American Muslim who wears your county's uniform in defense of it and who is drawn to the values of Freemasonry.
     
  19. The Undertaker

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    Agreed, wholeheartedly, with your statements this go-round. And yes, my views are only those that are given us in the United States; I make no comment, nor have a qualm with other countries of which I have no knowledge of news reporting. As for the American Muslim defending our country, I am eternally grateful for his service, as with each and every American soldier. My forefathers fought in the Revolutionary War here, and every war since, barring Vietnam, so patriotism is important to me.

    Best point, too, is that of running amok with religion, and/or politics. I will keep my quest of answers to myself, and appease this forum. And I thank all of you who have chimed-in, and thank this forum for indulging my questions.
     
  20. Ripcord22A

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    Ive served a total of 27 months in Iraq, working shoulder to shoulder with Iraqi Army and Police and civilians. I can tell you from 1st hand knowledge that the terrorists do not represent the Islamic or Muslim majority. The problem is that in a lot of the regions of Muslim countries the population cannot read or write, so all they have to go off of is the extremist cleric that tells them that when the Koran says "convert everyone to Islam" what it really means is that those that wont must die, they don't know any better. Then that spreads. Muslims from America and other places see us killing Muslims and it makes them want to help them.

    Think about it like this, If a Christian Army invaded Israel and Russia came to its defense and started wrecking shop there would be a lot of Christians that would join the "Christian Cause" even if it was wrong.
     
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