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Love It or Hate It...passed
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Sirius
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Now that's a completely different subject than the one you raised smart ass. Your original post was about the senate and house passing different bills. I don't like the $ in politics any more than you do.
Play nice, ladies! :10:
This plan will not spur competition. Health insurance companies cannot compete with a provider aka the Government who isn't required to turn a profit. On the flip side, those same companies are the ones who profit from denying treatment. I find it ironic that the Republicans in DC are on their soapbox now. It's not about giving two craps about YOU, it's about screwing the Democrats in 2010 by blocking this plan. They had years to pass something, they didn't. Why all of a sudden do they have all these wonderful new ideas to counteract the Obama plan? Why didn't they implement them when they had control. I'll tell ya why...$$$. Ah...tort reform...gotta love that suggestion. We passed that in Texas and while I can't speak for everyone, my premiums haven't gone down as promised. I'll sum it up for you Brothers, you're screwed either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's not about us, but control, power and money. The hard part is figuring out the lesser of two evils.
That is my quote Brother that is precisely what I was talking about "their pocketbooks". You decided to quote me and say "I was a bit over the top" you were correct that it is not "Killing puppies," it’s just yours and my life. Not to mention a ton of children. I am for health care reform I am but this is not the bill. It won't work this will do nothing but take money from the rich and give to the poor. If you want to see the middle class go away just keep voting the people in that are there.
The third sentence dealt with how a bill that passes the house is different. You of all people cannot be ok with this? The bill that our two chambers pass is so different than the other that they have a "compromise" party to decide who gets what. Now who decides this "committee"? Not you or I so how could this be the system that was set in place to handle checks and balances. As far as if it is done the "right" way and a bill will be so hard to pass through without changing and adapting to where EVERY congressperson gets a cut or a piece of pork. Then you know what, I don't know that we need the laws that are being passed then.
As far as a solution, I recommend that each and every person contact their congressman/woman. Let them know how you feel. Keep contacting and for God’s sake vote. The one thing that I really don't like is the guy that don't vote then wants to debate about the poor job their reps are doing.
Sirius
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You'll get no argument from me that there is to much money in politics. Your employer alone gave over 10 million dollars last year. But killing children? how does a health care bill kill children? That is obnoxious hyperbole.
This is how a bill becomes a law and always has, when the two chambers pass a the same bill but in a different form a joint conference committee is appointed from both chambers to decide on the compromise. This is nothing new. The people are represented, they elected every member. Checks and balances refers to the oversight of the three branches on each other.
We don't have direct democracy, that is mob rule. The mob is easy to get stirred up. They get told death panels are coming to kill grandma and force your daughters to have abortions. You see, if there was a real argument to be made, you and everyone else could sight the section of the bill that is so wrong. And don't say the bill is to big. If it has flaw, name it! tile and section. lets hear it.
This is what the R's have been saying all summer, all rhetoric and no substance. If you were really angry you would know exactly where you're mad about in this bill. You have a couple of generalizations.
[video=youtube;mEJL2Uuv-oQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ[/video]
My anger is where in the hell is this money going to come from? It has to come from somewhere? Do you think the gov is going to foot the bill and go deeper in debt? No. It is going to come from companies and business owners. It is going to come from the rich in this country. Who is going to benefit from this plan? Look at Medicaid and Medicare. They are two entirely screwed up systems so how is this one going to be different. You want to see the higher middle class tax brackets go away then support it. They will be the ones hit the hardest with the highest tax increases due to this. Guess who will fall in this group next year....ME. My taxes will increase substantially. Why, because I have a good job and my GF soon to be wife went to school and has a good paying job so we will see a huge tax increase. Is that right? Especially when it is only getting passed because Politicians have something personally to gain. That is my point. Healthcare Reform has been in congress since the 50's and never passed, why now? Because healthcare companies this last year has fed more money into campaign funds and lobbying than any other year. Now why?
I know how a bill becomes a law by the way thanks for the lesson though. One thing the cartoon failed to show was the money and kickbacks the politicans that have our best intrest at heart get. Oh not to mention they awesome healthcare they get. Hey how about this lets put them on the plan and see if it passes.
I know how a bill becomes a law by the way thanks for the lesson though. One thing the cartoon failed to show was the money and kickbacks the politicans that have our best intrest at heart get. Oh not to mention they awesome healthcare they get. Hey how about this lets put them on the plan and see if it passes.
Sirius
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Josh, thats more like it!That is an argument I can live with. "I don't want to pay higher taxes". OK.
I would ask you this, how would you get the money out of politics?
Where did you read that? He didn't say anything about killing children.
Sirius
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Nate Riley
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Yes, I know that in the short term (my life) my pocketbook will be hit and I am angry about that. What angers me even more is the effect that the huge spending and policies of at least the last two adminstrations will have on my little girl. I wonder if she will she have the opportunity to chase dreams with an entrepreneurial spirit and a finger to the government that have been the second biggest tradition in my family for many generations and the foundation of country.
I guess its not about the money, but government control.
Same place all of our ridiculous insurance premiums come from. Our already thin wallets. Looks to me like we are trading one scam for another, I mean hell, that's what insurance is anyway. One big scam.
This thing is full of things that will cause middle class taxes to go up. Not to mention it will be repealing the tax breaks we currently get. There is a solution. Like I said I wouldn't have a problem but all of congress on the same plan.
Want to do away with some corruption, make ANY amount of money or items received by a Politician Illegal. Hell if I get anything over $25 in value I have to give it to the company for our legal department to scrutinize. That is a meal included. That is mandatory because of our government contract yet it ok if you are elected. Do away with parties. Make a general political fund and it is spread out to all candidates evenly. Make all congressional raises have to go to a popular vote instead of their own. If you miss work you don't get paid. If you decide to no vote and then you don't get paid. Hell I don't need someone that is never there or one that is a no vote. I want a stance. How about that for a start?
Want to do away with some corruption, make ANY amount of money or items received by a Politician Illegal. Hell if I get anything over $25 in value I have to give it to the company for our legal department to scrutinize. That is a meal included. That is mandatory because of our government contract yet it ok if you are elected. Do away with parties. Make a general political fund and it is spread out to all candidates evenly. Make all congressional raises have to go to a popular vote instead of their own. If you miss work you don't get paid. If you decide to no vote and then you don't get paid. Hell I don't need someone that is never there or one that is a no vote. I want a stance. How about that for a start?
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Sirius
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On the whole, I don't disagree. And there are rules. Members of congress cant even except a meal now. Not to mention the Supreme Court says money is speech. How do you get around that? What you are advocating is a massive expansion of the government.
Scotty32
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Blake I am glad you said this because I think it is the only thing so far that has been said that makes any sense at all. They had the chance to do something about this problem and they didn't.
Let it be known, I hate Health insurance companies! They are the scum of the earth in my opinion & I will rejoice with great enthusiasm on the day when their executives are drug through the streets. They are not there to help us, they are there to make money.
All they care about is money. They will give a damn about nothing else but money. They are a cartel of criminals. I do not believe that the government should get involved in everything, but sorry, I would like to see them nail these cartels to the floor for what they do to people and run away with the disgusting amounts of profit masking it as the 'God almighty free market' at work. If that makes me a socialist, communist, liberal or whatever title you can come up with, then so be it. I don't give a damn! I had to watch my father cry in agony for a couple weeks from kidney stones because it felt like his balls were being crushed by a hydraulic press. When you see a tough, 56 yr man in pain like that, it messes with you. He needed surgery to remove them because there were 2 the size of marbles. The health insurance co would only cover a small portion of the cost, what seemed like only a coupon. After appealing a couple times, they dropped him because they could care less about anything but making money. If you were in that situation or had to witness it, I am willing to bet you would feel the same way.
Something needs to be done, and fast. The system is broken, and no it is not the best health care system in the world. It is not for the people, only for the money. So the sooner we can quit the childish pointing fingers and calling each other socialists and obstructionists, the better we can work together & fix the problem at hand.
Sorry, I'm done now. Just had to get that out there.
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