Orientation of the pillars

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  1. Roger McDonald

    Roger McDonald Registered User

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    I am attempting the memorize the MC lecture/ aka the staircase lecture. Boaze is on the lft hand side while jachin is on the right. Is left and right the perspective as if being inside or outside the temple?
     
  2. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    The pillars are at the entrance and the brethren pass between them to enter the temple.
     
  3. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Just curious....what lodge do you belong to?
     
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  4. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    Yeah I would maybe cipher your questions a little better as well, Rog.
     
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  5. hfmm97

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    Lodge name, number and location? Better ask your lodge officers!


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  6. dfreybur

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    Not all states indicate which orientation. In California I learned "floor work" to point with my right hand when saying that on your left and vice versa. This tells me that in California it is the perspective of the candidate that matters. This makes sense as the degrees are always about the candidate. No such "floor work" happens in Illinois. Texas deletes the lecture from the SD and moves it to the east at the end of the degree so there too orientation is not specified.

    The King James Version says bowls. The ritual says balls. It's a fun mutation in our ritual. Does any jurisdiction teach which globe goes with which name? When setting up I try to put the celestial globe on the candidate's right so it gets mentioned second. Because astronomy is mentioned in the second degree. But that's just me.
     
  7. Brother_Steve

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    In NJ, the candidate walks with the SD so the right and left are the same for both.
     
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  8. Brother_Steve

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    How do you enter a building? From the outside
     
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  9. Roger McDonald

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    Will do in the future. Though i haven't seen them referenced in the bible, i thought they were, thus common knowledge, however i see your point will be more careful going forward.
     
  10. Roger McDonald

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    My feeling is that i am facing the building, therfor it would be my left and right. Several brothers suggest the opposite. One of the more experienced guys explains its from the outside also.
     
  11. Roger McDonald

    Roger McDonald Registered User

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    Fairbanks 12, fairbanks, alaska. I believe i have my answer. Going with the perspective of entering, rather than already being inside.
     
  12. Roger McDonald

    Roger McDonald Registered User

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    I have a great coach/ mentor who has set me on the right path. Thaks to everyone for the help.
     
  13. Warrior1256

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    Same in Kentucky.
     
  14. dfreybur

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    In CA and IL the SD drops the candidate off just outside of the pillars, steps through, turns and addresses the candidate through the pillars. Same wording but different floor work, therefore gesturing with the other hands.
     
  15. Keith C

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    Guess what? I bet you won't believe it that GLof PA does EVERYTHING differently. NO pillars here!
     
  16. billyjfootball

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    I always felt that we (PA) were missing out on this part. I find it quite interesting.


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  17. Roy_

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    A little anecdote. My (irregular) Mother lodge and the (also irregular) lodge I'm member of now, both work with a ritual that is ultimately based on Emulation. Both lodges rent their space from (regular) Grand Orient of the Netherlands lodges. The GON lodges have their pillars the other way around than we do! Also the Lesser Lights are different from us and perhaps even the officers are switched. In 'our case' the Junior Warden sits in the North-West near the pillar B overlooking the EAs while the JW sometimes sits in the South-East so he has a better look at the North column (where the EAs sit). Then again, the EA password with us is (of course) B, while there are lodges where the EA password is J, so the pillars may be the other way around as the Wardens.
    To finish the anecdote. The lodge room of my mother lodge has the Latin letters stuck to the pillars with velcro. My current lodge has Hebrew letters that can't be removed, so when the WM asks the JW what his place in the lodge is, he'll say: "In the West near column B" while a Jod is visible over his head.

    I guess what I'm saying is: it depends.
     
  18. Warrior1256

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    I'm shocked, shocked I say....lol.
     
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  19. Glen Cook

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    I’m not sure if we helped you or just entertained ourselves. :).
     
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  20. Scoops

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    Don't worry, you're not the only jurisdiction that doesn't mandate pillars. Our pillars have been reduced to the Wardens columns. Although, a few older lodge rooms still have them, there's no mention of them in our ritual as physical objects in the temple.
     

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