PHA to ancient Free & Accepted Mason

[hanzosbm]

Right, but you would think you could trust a man more because he is a mason.

I look at it this way:

If he's a good man, he'll keep my secrets whether he's a Mason or not.
If he's not a good man and would be willing to spill my secrets, than he is probably also willing to break his obligation, so either way my secrets aren't safe with him.

Sadly, I don't think him being a Mason really matters.

 

[Derinique Kendrick]

I look at it this way:

If he's a good man, he'll keep my secrets whether he's a Mason or not.
If he's not a good man and would be willing to spill my secrets, than he is probably also willing to break his obligation, so either way my secrets aren't safe with him.

Sadly, I don't think him being a Mason really matters.

Bingo! I couldn't agree more!

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

Bingo! I couldn't agree more!

I see it that way to a point. This is where I think freemasonry has changed. Because of what we both went through..... I should trust that whatever I tell a worthy mason will remain between us. That's where I believe some where along the lines in society (freemasonry) something happened.

 

[hanzosbm]

I see it that way to a point. This is where I think freemasonry has changed. Because of what we both went through..... I should trust that whatever I tell a worthy mason will remain between us. That's where I believe some where along the lines in society (freemasonry) something happened.

Well, I think you're doubly right.
First, I think that you CAN trust that whatever you tell a WORTY Mason will remain between you. Worthy is the key word here, which brings me to the second agreement. I think we have allowed the unworthy into our Lodges, in great number in fact. Of course whether this is something new or it's always been that way, we'll never know.

 

[Dontrell Stroman]

Well, I think you're doubly right.
First, I think that you CAN trust that whatever you tell a WORTY Mason will remain between you. Worthy is the key word here, which brings me to the second agreement. I think we have allowed the unworthy into our Lodges, in great number in fact. Of course whether this is something new or it's always been that way, we'll never know.

Agreed. If you look throughout historical wars, ( Revolutionary war, Civil War, etc) you will find that most Masonic leaders, general's/commanders surrounded themselves amongst other fellow masons. I believe the reason for this was due to the bond that these men shared.

 

[dfreybur]

I see it that way to a point. This is where I think freemasonry has changed. Because of what we both went through..... I should trust that whatever I tell a worthy mason will remain between us. That's where I believe some where along the lines in society (freemasonry) something happened.

If I have a confidence that needs to be shared I work to judge the worthiness of the person I need to tell that confidence. The common bond of having been through our degrees speeds up my judgment process but does not determine my judgment process. I hope that it does not short circuit my judgment process.

Trust swims in the gray zone between my judgment being justified and my hope that it will be justified. How soon is too soon, how much trust is too much trust.

 

[Timothy Riser]

I'm pretty sure they will except you with open arms...But I ask why would you so that???/G\

I asked about becoming a mason and I was approached by a friend and brother about becoming a mason here on Osan air base in the Republic of Korea. I did not know there was a difference between them. i researche their lodge after being initiated as an entered apprentice and to answer the above statement of "all PHA are clandestine" is false. I have met many AF&AM Mason's who have become F&AM PHA, in my eyes a MASTER MASON is a MASTER MASON regardless of if he is AF&AM or F&AM .

My grandfather, godfather and several uncles are Mason, since most are deceased I had no one to ask on becoming one. The reason for wanting to change from F&AM to AF&AM is to join a lodge that my ancestors were apart of. I just want to restart a family tradition that died out with my generation within my family.

I respect my fellow brothers within this lodge and they have guided me through my journey with respect and patience.

 

[Ripcord22A]

We wernt saying all PHA is clandestine we were saying that There is only one PHA AF&AM lodge that is recognised. I believe its Libera. All others are clandestine. AF&AM vs F&AM is immaterial outside of PHA. State GLs use BOTH and a couple others as well.
If you are currently a member of a PHA jurisdiction and want to switch to a mainstream jurisdiction you first have to make sure that the state you are moving to recognizes your PHA jurisdiction. Then go to some meetings, then petition for affiliation and then once accepted demit from your PHA jurisdiction as they probably dont allow dual membership.

If the state you move to doesnt recognise your PHA jurisdiction you will probably have to go through the whole process all over again...petition, initiation ect ect

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