Timothy Riser
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How do I go from a PHA TO AF&AM ?
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PHA to ancient Free & Accepted Mason
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Brother JC
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What state are you in? Contact a "state" lodge and begin communication. You may be able to demit and apply, a fairly simple transition.
dfreybur
Premium Member
If you mean to a jurisdiction with Prince Hall in their name, the only regular one that uses AF&AM in in Liberia. You start by writing to get a visa and the immigration papers. All other Prince Hall AF&AM jurisdictions are clandestine so you don't. http://www.conferenceofgrandmasterspha.org/gjlinks.asp http://www.thephylaxis.org/bogus/bogusgrandlodges.php
If you mean the other branch of our family, what I'll call George Washington affiliated for lack of a formal designation, you start visiting. You ask for the version of the affiliation form used across jurisdictions. You would need to be in the majority of states that have PHA recognition. Your PHA lodge may require to demit to the next lodge though most of our jurisdictions don't object to keeping your prior membership in parallel.
If you mean the other branch of our family, what I'll call George Washington affiliated for lack of a formal designation, you start visiting. You ask for the version of the affiliation form used across jurisdictions. You would need to be in the majority of states that have PHA recognition. Your PHA lodge may require to demit to the next lodge though most of our jurisdictions don't object to keeping your prior membership in parallel.
Dontrell Stroman
Premium Member
Speaking on AF&AM AND F&AM. I work with a GL mason (Meaning not PHA) as me and him started talking, he said what are y'all PH masons ? I said we are F&AM. He said okay. As the conversation went to masons helping masons, he said "I don't know about AF&AM". I said, well the ones that aren't clandestine will help you just the same. He then stated "well I was taught AF&AM might help but a F&AM will help for sure".
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Dontrell Stroman
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Question : If two masons are talking, say one PH and the other GL but their GL does not recognize each other, and one says "On the ******" should you be able to trust that brother with your secrets even though his GL considers your GL clandestine ? Because technically his ob. Does no extend to you because you are considered clandestine to him. What are your thoughts ?
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That makes absolutely no sense.
acjohnson53
Registered User
I'm pretty sure they will except you with open arms...But I ask why would you so that???/G\
Bloke
Premium Member
I was taught to be cautious... and told to be prudent and of sound judgment... it would all come down to those things...
Derinique Kendrick
Registered User
Nope. If it is against the ob to communicate masonically with a clandestine mason, then I will not do so. Period.
Ripcord22A
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To me this has nothing to do with the OB. As it is not Masonic intercourse. Some one saying on the square to me that is not during open lodge would make me laugh. If you are speaking with someone and they/you are comfortable sharing something then obviously your relationship extends beyond masonry. There are alot of brothers that I wouldnt share my personal stuff with and alot of my friends that could never be masons that id share my life with!
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Derinique Kendrick
Registered User
I can agree. Life secrets, sure! Anything masonic, nope!
Dontrell Stroman
Premium Member
Yes I know. That's why I asked the question in an earlier post about the difference in the two. This brother is not as educated on freemasonry as others, so I won't hold it against him.
Dontrell Stroman
Premium Member
Why would I what ?
Derinique Kendrick
Registered User
I believe that he was referencing the original poster's desire to switch from PHA to AF&AM
dfreybur
Premium Member
Masonic secrets? If there is no recognition then don't do anything that you would do to get past a tiler.
Personal secrets? The way the obligations in my mother jurisdiction are worded it needs to be a recognized jurisdiction. Some wording suggests regular rather than recognized.
Mostly if I'm going to discuss personal secrets I'm going to judge individually not matter the obligation.
Dontrell Stroman
Premium Member
I know better when it comes to masonic secrets. I'm speaking in terms of personal. Because he is a mason you would think he could be trusted with anything.
Derinique Kendrick
Registered User
I think that would come down to the individual brothers discretion. Personally, if I'm going to be trusting a man with my personal secrets, it's definitely going to be because I respect his as a man, Masonry would have nothing to do with it for me.
Dontrell Stroman
Premium Member
Right, but you would think you could trust a man more because he is a mason.
Derinique Kendrick
Registered User
I get what you're saying, but unfortunately, that's not always the case. You could do that, but if it were entrusted to the wrong mason it would be just like telling a non mason who is known for spilling the beans. But I get your point.