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Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by Bro.Stewart, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. Mindovermatter Ace

    Mindovermatter Ace Registered User

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    The debate about clandestine is WHO is clandestine and who isn't. I admit it wouldn't secure the site 100%. That would be nearly impossible, however it would reduce the number of impostors significantly. I bet I can contest the authenticity of your Dutch certificate.
     
  2. Mindovermatter Ace

    Mindovermatter Ace Registered User

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    All of you forget that one of the largest parts of Masonic history are modes of recognition and being able to identify a non-mason. Do you honestly believe that we cannot come up with something modern to identify a true mason? Even corporations have authentication protocols for its employees when logging into a corporate website. You guys aren't looking at the bigger picture. It can definitely be done.
     
  3. vangoedenaam

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    Technology has options, but it would require a lot of work and worldwide standardization to work. As long as we cant even agree on the meters vs inches debates, standardisation on authenticating masons isnt gonna happen any time soon.

    As an IT architect, i can design working solutions for this, thats not the problem. The implementation is and that requires a lot of ppl at grandlodges to work on it worldwide. Quite the project.


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  4. Brother JC

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    Name me a corporation with six million employees spread over the globe. I guarantee they have security issues online.
    There are hundreds of grand lodges with thousands of lodges. Some of those don't even have a phone.
    I see the "big picture," I just don't see a need to be proven online. If I want a duly tyled meeting, I'll go to one. We're pretty good at weeding out the cowans face-to-face.
     
  5. dfreybur

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    That's a partial specification for a lodge so you'd need more of its parts. And it's not a particularly good abbreviation because it leaves out important parts (name of lodge and name of grand lodge) in favor of an unimportant part (the initials are decorative not meaningful in general).

    Pasadena 272, California Free and Accepted Masons is my mother lodge. That can be abbreviated down to Lodge #272 F&AM if we know we are discussing California and we have already checked whether the other regular and recognized jurisdiction MWPHAGLofCA lists itself as F&AM or AF&AM. In California PHA is listed as F&AM so the abbreviation is ambiguous there.
     
  6. Brother JC

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    One of my lodges has an excellent website for members. Recently, a clandestinely made mason was accepted into the lodge, slipping through all the checks and balances of both lodge and grand lodge. When he was discovered, he had to be cast out by an official ballot, and all passwords changed. It's been a long and tedious process with finger-pointing and name calling. The largest factor in the equation was that all the verification had to be done online.
     
  7. vangoedenaam

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    Cant a clandestine mason be made legit somehow? Cleansed? Exorcised? Whatchamightcallit?


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  8. widows son

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    Trysquare, what do you mean when you say all the passwords had to be changed?


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  9. BroBook

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    I was going to let it go my brother but, but no I am not a Cowan I was I,P & R in 1984 , the state I live in has two grand lodges proclaiming to be prince hall, thanks to this site I became aware that although the grand lodge under whose protection I was under hold both charters they are not one who is recognized " living schism" in closing without trying to sound arrogant I am a mason's mason I Am the well informed brother!!!


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  10. BroBook

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    Yes they call it healing in prince hall , that is the process I going through now do not know how it is accomplished, will know soon !!!


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  11. brother josh

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    Brook I wish u well in ur healing


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  12. bupton52

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    They do not hold both charters and a GL doesn't need a charter.
     
  13. vangoedenaam

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    I may start a debate here, but if a man is a good man who lives and breathes masonically, i would call him brother and treat him as one. The problems with recognition are largely political in my opinion. I think broader recognition would only strengthen masonry. Lets not quable amongst ourselves so much.

    In my country we have 600 different brands of christianity too, they all are the only true version, sometimes differing in the explanation of only a few words in the bible. It doesnt help much to unite humanity and make the world a better place.




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  14. jjjjjggggg

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    We are a fraternity, not a church. We have obligations of which we swore to uphold. If we aren't men of our word, what are we? If we don't agree with the obligations, why take them? Not everyone can or should be a mason.


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  15. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    First sentence of my post; I was discussing the members-only website.
     
  16. Cblack

    Cblack Registered User

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    Bro Book...I take it that you are from Louisiana

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  17. bupton52

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    He is from Florida.
     
  18. Cblack

    Cblack Registered User

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    Thanks Bro Upton

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  19. dizlwizl

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    Cblack hey its Bro sells from Tyler. How have you been
     
  20. Cblack

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    I've been good Brother Sells....I'll be in Longview this weekend

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