Recommending Comasonry

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  1. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    I have been in both. In my experience women do the work in the higher degrees better and with more understanding.
     
  2. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    Why would you recommend a service organization?
     
  3. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    Karen Kidd has a few books on the topic: https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Ground-...TF8&qid=1499760773&sr=8-1&keywords=karen+kidd

    Also the Masonic Round Table has a few episodes on Co-Masonry.

    Here's the bottom line for me. I, nor my grand lodge, owns Freemasonry and neither do you or yours. I can say what my "branch" of Freemasonry sets as the standard. But I have zero place saying what any other organization sets for its standard.

    Just within my male only "branch" there is a vastness of what we recognize that so many don't realize. The one right off the bat is the Swedish Rite (that here we know about thanks to our Swedish Rite brothers and our own reading). But the ritual that most of us American Masons know and love is insanely different in other American lodges that practice the "same ritual". Not only that but there are other rituals that are vastly different from our already vastly different American ritual. There have been women Masons in our male only lodges for a long time.

    I'm not advocating us merging or sharing fraternal relations. But to not acknowledge each others existence is being intellectually dishonest and brothers to be honest I've only ever heard that come from us.

    What is Freemasonry? I do not know. But I hope to die with God knowing I tried to find out without knowingly violating my heart.

    To our Co-Masonic poster I've visited your site before you posted about it. It's a great site. While our grand lodges do not share fraternal relations I can still consider you a Masonic brother. Will either of us violate our obligations nope. But to ignore a branch of our craft is just silly. From what I've heard Co-Masonry generally kicks our ass when it comes to education.
     
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  4. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Often?
     
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  5. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Freemasonry is a total-immersion virtual-reality live-action role-playing theatrical-society focused upon moral purposes and based upon the borrowed lexicon (vocabulary and symbols) and lore of stonecraft masons.

    No one aspect of it is privately owned by one group; although many groups claim that they do. Don't spin your wheels on it though. They're just in character playing out their organization's scripts.
     
  6. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    The longer I practice Masonry the more I find that to be so true.

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  7. Glen Cook

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  8. LK600

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    I am finding that Masonry, in this instance (meaning) blue lodge, is more like my home base which I always return to, but allows me to explore numerous areas of interest/study. If I so choose, I could simply be there and allow my experience to be what Coachn states. I guess what I'm saying is it's 100% choice.
     
  9. Warrior1256

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    Got it. Thanks for the replies gentlemen.
     
  10. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Same here.
    Not in MHO.
    Lol!
     
  11. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    This may be way off base here, but I'd have no problem with UGLE maybe recognizing some of the more 'fringe masonic' groups and allowing them into the Masonic family. A lot of those groups actually rent out or use Masonic lodges and share many similarities. However, that doesn't mean I would say women should be able to join blue lodges.
     
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  12. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Well, to be clear, UGLE doesn't "recognise " feminine Freemasonry in the sense we use the word; to be in amity. And certainly not with co-ed groups
     
  13. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    That's true, I've read that about OES specifically. They don't jive in England.
     
  14. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    Nothing in my Ob prevents me from guiding a woman to co- or female Masonry, so I have no problem doing it.
    Let's look at it another way: I can't play on the sports team I volunteer for but I can play the sport, and the athletes will help me find a team.
     
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  15. Ripcord22A

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    I think you getting confused here brother....to me the power to prevent is prevent it from happening within your GL....I could be wrong though


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  16. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    And just a note: we Masons can't jive, but the ladies can and do.
     
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  17. Warrior1256

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    Absolutely! When someone asks why we do not admit women my reply is simply "Because we are a FRATERNITY!" Nuff said as far as I am concerned.
     
  18. LK600

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    So... in your mind, our Freemasonry is no different than any other "Masonry lodge"? I do not understand this way of thinking. At best (to me), all the other "Freemasonry organizations" are emulating us, or in a not so generous term... playing pretend. At worst, they are actively deceiving people into thinking their organizations are the same as ours.

    I've read over what I just wrote, and it sounds harsh. Maybe it's because I'm so new. If I offended anyone I apologize.
     
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  19. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    Emulation is the best form of flattery.
     
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  20. Roy_

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    You're correct LK600, but this way of reasoning is a bit too simple. Say a new organisation is founded, this happens every now and then. It gets new members, founds new lodges, becomes a Grand Lodge and all goes well. In the beginning they're "playing pretend". After a while other Grand Lodges start to recognise the new organisation and suddenly they're no longer "playing pretend"? They used not to be Freemasons and suddenly they are? This is the history of Prince Hall and other organisations. This is also the reason that UGLE has said of one of the UK women's Grand Lodges that they will not be recognised, but they are "otherwise regular in their practice". Thus, 'real Freemasonry', but 'of another kind'.

    Does no recognition by your own Grand Lodge say anything about "playing pretend"? Are members of the Grand Lodge of Georgia suddenly "pretenders" because some other Grand Lodges punish their organisation over their homosexuality standpoint (while others didn't pull recognition)?

    I think we should judge organisations not on the opaque (and political) system of recognition, but see if organisation is "otherwise regular in their practice" and if they are, should not shy to recommend them to people who are interested, but can't join the organisation you're a member of yourself.
     
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