Recommending Comasonry

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  1. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    Thank you, my Brother.
    This is one of those topics that really needs face-to-face conversation to be able to express what we're thinking. I always feel I'd make far more sense if I were speaking.
     
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  2. Brother JC

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    One quick note, LK; I am speaking specifically of LDH (regarding co-masonry), not just some spurious fly-by-night money grubber. This may not change your thoughts but I felt it needed clarifying.
     
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  3. Thomas Stright

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    I must not have understood it, Sorry for the confusion.
     
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  4. LK600

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    I did come across LDH (Le Droit Humain) some years ago. They appeared very well established with a global reach. If I remember correctly, they were an offshoot of Freemasonry (ours I mean) and changed various rules (acceptance of women, belief in a God not required etc.). That pretty much sums up my knowledge of them.

    I am not sure if it changes my overall thoughts or not. Regardless, the various nuances of other "Freemasonry groups" requires much further study by myself before I can intelligently speak of such things. The more I look, the more I believe this may be a multi-faceted issue (not so black and white as I probably come across as). Obviously, I have tendencies of protection towards the craft. :)
     
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  5. MasterBulldawg

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    Why? Because with assurance from my GL that what Masonic body I was recommending was a honourable organization I could not recommend it. I personally have not done the research into alt-masonary to say was is or isn't a good organization. I would recommend something like rotary club, lion's club or something like that i know to be a legitimate organization.

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  6. MasterBulldawg

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    Ok but what if someone popped up in 40 years claiming to be Goomba but had no documentation to prove it. Would you take them at their word?
     
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  7. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    I don't have any documentation that my dad and his brother are related.

    Why would you recommend a service organization?
     
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  8. MasterBulldawg

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    Without soap opera plot lines and back here in real world....

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  9. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    I'm sorry I work in the legal system and have seen this often in the real world. Plus the company Life Lock seems to be nation wide for identity theft. Documents are only a part of the larger picture.

    A dues card will not get you into, well it shouldn't, lodge alone. There are other steps.

    Third time: Why would you recommend a service club?
     
  10. MasterBulldawg

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    Why? Because with assurance from my GL that what Masonic body I was recommending was a honourable organization I could not recommend it. I personally have not done the research into alt-masonary to say was is or isn't a good organization. I would recommend something like rotary club, lion's club or something like that i know to be a legitimate organization.

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  11. goomba

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    So your recommendation is not based of why the person wanted to join? I'm not questioning why you wouldn't recommend an unknown to you Masonic group. That makes sense to me.

    I am specifically why a service group.
     
  12. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    What determines legitimacy?
     
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  13. MasterBulldawg

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    For one I'm assuming the woman in question has just a basic knowledge of Freemasonry and that she is grouping us in with other service organizations. Because to the outward world Freemasonry has become a service organization with the Shriners Hospital for kids, the Scottish Rite dyslexic schools and all the blue Lodge community service projects.

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  14. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    How would you accurately determine if your assumptions are correct before you make any of your recommendations.
     
  15. MasterBulldawg

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    If it had gone something like this and in jurisdiction without O.E.S. or other recognized women's body.
    Female friend: oh I see you you are a mason, i have always wanted to join Freemasony.
    Me: Well first in this jurisdiction there is no masonic order for women as it's a fraternity for men. But you might want to look into the Loyal order of the Moose, Elks lodge, Rotary or Lions as they accept women members. And with that i would change the subject.
    But since my jurisdiction has O.E.S and other bodies for women I can recommend them.

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  16. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Okay. I get it. You would assume that she wanted to join what your organization offered as service organization options that permitted females and provide other non-freemasonic service organization opportunities clearly outside of Freemasonry, all without ascertaining in any way whatsoever why she wanted to join Freemasonry in the first place.

    That's an interesting way to accurately determine if your assumptions are correct as to her true interests for wanting to join and become a member.
     
  17. MasterBulldawg

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    Ok CoachN, I'm curious as to what you would do in a situation similar to this where did Lady ask about Freemasonry there is no Freemasonry option that you know of that is recognized by your Grand Lodge or a alternate Freemasonry to be a legitimate Freemasonry options for this lady. Now of course giving a more detailed hypothetical situation my answer could and probably would change but but with the simple and generic hypothetical situation I was given that would probably be my response.

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  18. coachn

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    I would first find out why she wanted to join. Should it be for Freemasonic rites/rights, lights and benefits, I would let her know that there are female-craft options that, sans for gender differences, are in line with what she sought.

    I would also encourage her to seek out these organizations and do her due diligence upon them.

    Her involvement or non-involvement in it would have absolutely no impact whatsoever upon the organization to which I belong, or its members.
     
  19. Glen Cook

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    I would explain that while they are not recognised by my jurisdiction, there are feminine lodges
     
  20. MasterBulldawg

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    "Should it be for Freemasonic rites/rights, lights and benefits, I would let her know that there are female-craft options that, sans for gender differences, are in line with what she sought."

    Even if you did not know these other Masonic organizations to be legitimate Masonic organizations?





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