Recommending Comasonry

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  1. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    I would let her know that these are options and as I had indicated in my post: I would also encourage her to seek out these organizations and do her due diligence upon them. Just as I would do for anyone seeking Freemasonic rites/rights, lights and benefits outside my membership jurisdiction.
     
  2. Ripcord22A

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    According to our(malecraft) organization none of them are "legitamate".

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  3. MasterBulldawg

    MasterBulldawg Registered User

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    For Masonic purposes it would have to be recognized by my Grand unless I had personal knowledge to the contrary, for Non Masonic purposes it would have to be an organization with the history that I can verify and knew it not to be a fraud or scheme. You see this is my personal opinion I am not an expert on Freemasonry nor do I claim to be but like everybody else on these boards I have my own opinion.

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  4. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Yes. But that legitimacy has to do with who it will accept as members and what other jurisdictions it tells its members are okay to sit in lodge with.

    That legitimacy has nothing to do with profane females wanting to join a freemasonic organization that allows females.
     
  5. CLewey44

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    Would that be Fe-masons? :p
     
  6. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    I truly appreciate your sharing this. Thank you.
     
  7. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Not to be confused with fee-masons. :D
     
  8. Warrior1256

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    Sounds good.
     
  9. Warrior1256

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    Lol!
     
  10. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    One of my GLs does not consider OES "legitimate" and two do... gosh, what am I to do? Oh, right, give her all her options, regardless. What do I care about supposed legitimacy? Who said the GL of London and Westminster was legitimate? Only the founders.
     
  11. CLewey44

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    Bro. J.C., I personally don't see anything wrong with what you're saying. Not that you care what I think but just so you know. I feel ya.
     
  12. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    Actually, my Brother, I do care what you think. If I get defensive or argumentative it's because I don't understand what someone thinks, not because I don't care.
     
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  13. MasterBulldawg

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    I guess I must be different then some of y'all on this board because I'm not going to personally recommend anything to a friend much less a female friend that I do not know to be a safe organization that is not going to take them for tens of thousands and put them through hazing initiations. Again I'm not an expert on Freemasonry but if you belong the three grand lodges you can only be in one grand jurisdiction at a time and I would follow the customs of whichever Grand Lodge you belong to and that you are currently physically in period.

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  14. goomba

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    Just because you choose to remain uneducated on a topic does NOT mean any of us would put and ladies in danger.

    There are books, podcast, websites, and people you can utilize to learn. Your lack of education on the topic is a situation you and you alone are responsible for.

    One such website was posted in this thread. I myself posted a well known author on the subject and were to find an excellent Masonic podcast. One of the Masons in the podcast is a member of The GL of FL.

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  15. Warrior1256

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    Of course!
     
  16. MasterBulldawg

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    First off my original answer to the original question was I would recommend the Eastern Star then it became a hypothetical question what if the Eastern star wasn't an option and I gave my answer on that but then it seems like a few was giving me a hard time and Nick picking my answers so I tried to answer in the more clear and concise manner. Then somebody answers with the sarcastic comment and again I tried to be clear and concise. Now as to being uneducated on the subject I have admitted that I'm not an expert on everything Freemasonry now you may be an expert but there are some things I just have not had the chance to research and get to know like co-masonry Masonry and female Freemasonry it's one of those things I haven't gotten around to researching yet mainly because in my jurisdiction we have these Eastern star and I can recommend them and I have other priorities to research and learn about Freemasonry then those. What I said unless I personally know that the organization is safe I would not recommend it. Now if you have done the research and you feel comfortable in making such a recommendation to a friend then that is your personal choice. And we all know that all the research on the internet is 100% reliable don't we.

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  17. Brother JC

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    @MasterBulldawg You seem to assume I wouldn't check something out before I recommend it; false assumption. I'm well aware of the difference between unrecognized and clandestine/spurious.
    As to what my GL says, they're silent. They don't regulate what I say to the curious.
     
  18. MasterBulldawg

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    I never mentioned any names or screen names. So let me try this again speaking for me personally as someone who is not an expert in Freemasonry but it's just the brother that is still learning about Freemasony I cannot recommend an organization that I do not know to be safe. But if another brother has done their due diligence and wants to recommend Co Masonry or all female Freemasonry then that is their choice.

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  19. Ripcord22A

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    I think we all need to step back and take a breath. @MasterBulldawg im sorry. I think that the group here has come to the realization that these other groups exist and are Freemasonic in their workings and we accept that and even though our GLs dont recognize them they exist.

    you belong you a GL that doesn't recognize pha correct? Would you recommend a black man join pha? I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure that your ob doesn't prevent you from telling a woman that there are groups that accept women, but yours doesn't. Also you say that you'd recommend OES, what if that woman doesn't have a Freemasonic connection? My understanding is that in order to be a member that woman must have a freemason relative....

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  20. MasterBulldawg

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    Yes my GL doesn't recognize PHA but that's because PHA does not want our recognition or so i heard but that's a topic for another day. If a black man asked me about joining and i know him to be worthy I would explain the difference in the 2 groups. Tell him to check and research both groups. Visit local lodges that while he could not attend meetings he could come to dinner as most MS lodge has a meal before meetings and meet the other brothers. I would recommend him do the same with PHA and since I have a coworker who is in PH I would put them in touch with each other. I would invite him to my lodge and be ready with a petition should he ask for. You see while I did not have first-hand knowledge of Prince Hall Masonry I do know a brother from a mainstream Lodge that came over from Prince Hall and he said that their work was pretty much the same with just a few minor differences also I have a co-worker who is a Prince Hall Mason and while we have never really discussed Masonry I know him to be a good and honorable man so I would have no problem recommending this black man to him and him to the black man. And while Florida does not have many we do have a few black Brothers. As to the eastern star that is true but I would recommend her to talk to someone in th OES as I am not member and do not know all the details. You see I have done some research into Prince Hall Masonry as I know a brother who used to be a Prince Hall Mason and I know I have a co-worker that is a Prince Hall Mason so I feel pretty confident that their organization is a safe organization that's why I wouldn't hesitate in recommending it a black man. But with Co Masonry and all female Lodge I do not have any real knowledge as I have not done the research as it has not been a top priority for me so I don't know them to be regular. I know of no Co masonry person who's coming over to the mainstream Lodge and I know no female Mason. That's why I would be hesitant in recommending either of those organizations. I've never had a woman asked me about joining Freemasonry but I do have young guys asking me about Freemasonry and that they've heard rumors that Freemasonry is still segregated and that it's homophobic and then I have to go on and explain exactly what Freemasonry is in my Grand Lodge and while I'm explaining that mention that if they have a wife or sister or somebody that wants to get involved in Freemasonry that there's the Eastern Star and Masonic youth associations. As far as recommendations go if I don't have first-hand knowledge or done the research or have information from a trusted Source on an organization or for that matter anything that I'm recommending I'm not going to recommend it but again that is my personal choice.

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