The hidden mysteries !

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by JonnyMM, Mar 15, 2017.

  1. jermy Bell

    jermy Bell Registered User

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    You know, the half lizard half human masters. Isn't there any in your lodge ?
     
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  2. Warrior1256

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    If so they are keeping it from their fellow lodge members. Maybe their true identities are known only to the Shriners and those that hold the 33rd degree!
     
  3. Bro. Stewart P.M.

    Bro. Stewart P.M. Lead Moderator Emeritus Staff Member

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    Yes. Yes we are keeping the lizard-half men secretly hidden with the herd of goats.

    Dang it! You've figured it all out now... but now you've got to cross the "hot sands" to know for sure.


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  4. Warrior1256

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    You are cunning but some of us are on too you!
     
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  5. Ripcord22A

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    So lets get this back on track before it too gets shut down......
    James do you have an answer for these questions? I dont. My opinion would be that nothing was wrong with the Noah 3rd but it was "masonic" themed. Noah was a builder but he built a boat of wood not a structure of stone. If the organization was the FreeCarpenters then that story would be perfect.

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  6. Warrior1256

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    Lol...I like that!
     
  7. JamestheJust

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    Noah being raised by his sons might well be a copy of Asar (Osiris) being raised by his son Horus (the lord of life). This legend has a parallel in Lazarus being raised by Jesus
     
  8. Elexir

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    Then there really is no change.
    Other then that the rituals become more in tune.
     
  9. Brother_Steve

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    well, to be fair, when I was going through the degrees, we had a lot of purple in the lodge so I would have thought these guys knew more.
     
  10. Brother_Steve

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  11. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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  12. Brother_Steve

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  13. JamestheJust

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    I know this is a difficult topic, but has anyone made significant progress in this work of the FC?
     
  14. BullDozer Harrell

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    Coach, a great blog about the highest degree in Masonry.

    There's a bit of confusion in the Temple though. Are you saying that the Master Mason is a rank and not the last & sublime degree of our Craft system?

    I understand your historical lesson that prior to the formation of the Grand Lodge of England, there's a strong likelihood that there was just a two degree system, EA & FC. The MM does appear as an innovation. It's sort of gloss or something added to the picture for whatever purposes these men had but never fully explained and understood by future generations.

    Our system seems to have been complete with only the 2 degrees. In fact, the FC degree meshes well the Mark Master account without the necessity of the MM degree. However the MM doesn't naturally blend in except maybe with the introduction of the final working tool, the Trowel.

    It's explained that only MMs are given a trowel.

    But anyways, i'm understanding where you're coming from historically. But i'm not sure if i can agree with you that after all this time, we should not still consider the MM degree as the final & highest?
     
  15. Ripcord22A

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    Well the trowel isnt the MM tool in foreign jurisdictions....its the pencil and skerrit and another one that im blanking on....so again an invention......



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  16. BullDozer Harrell

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    You're correct and i state this not as a catch all for all jurisdictions. Only using my own as the frame of reference.

    We can agree that the trowel is indeed a post 1717 invention.
     
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  17. MarkR

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    Compass.
     
  18. BullDozer Harrell

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    Are you indicating the compass as an innovative symbolic working tool of a MM that was introduced concurrently or shortly after the 3rd degree was added?
     
  19. coachn

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    And unless you know what that "FC" refers to, you'll not know which FC to which it refers.
     
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  20. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Thanks! It sure was fun researching and putting it together.
    Yes. That is exactly what I implied. If the FC did the work that he was supposed to do, as spelled out within the dominant Preston-Webb Ritual practiced within the USA , then the MM Degree becomes a celebration of what the FC has Achieved and the FC comes into the Degree as "The Master's Word".

    As it is now, it is a degree bestowing unearned rank where a substitute is provided because the candidate is not "The Master's Word" and he hasn't a clue as to what the Ritual is intended to point out: He is a Ruffian.
    Thanks!
    I'm glad that you see this too.
    Yes! See previous comments about "He is a Ruffian."
    Agreed!
    The breadcrumb trail is definitely thick with clues! Unfortunately, very few see it and even fewer follow it.
    This is where I want to scream, "Wake Up!", but I won't and I'll let you just image that I did.

    Apprentices and Fellows of the Craft used/use the Trowel.; they HAD/HAVE TO! The MM Degree is "Symbolic". In practice, ALL levels used ALL the Working Tools. How else were/are each of our Craftsmen going to Learn the Craft???? Explain, Show, Do!
    Good!
    You could ageree, but it would require you to step back, remember that these degrees are all " symbolic" and use common sense.
     
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