What to do when event turns anti-masonic

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Lowcarbjc, Aug 15, 2013.

  1. Lowcarbjc

    Lowcarbjc Registered User

    167
    31
    28
    I would like to know what you personally recommend a person in each degree EA, FC and MM do in a situation like this:

    You are at some church or any other function and somewhere in the speech / sermon the speaker / preacher starts to talk about the "evils" of freemasonry. Some of your friends at the event know you are a mason - what do you do?




    Freemason Connect HD
     
  2. Lowcarbjc

    Lowcarbjc Registered User

    167
    31
    28
    P.S. My initiation is tomorrow (Sat 17th) I am sure my lodge will give me some guidelines on this, but it would be great to get your guys input too.

    It can be any event, church cell, family gathering etc.


    Freemason Connect HD
     
  3. Angler

    Angler Registered User

    24
    14
    3
    Don't do anything. Your part is to maintain practice of your Masonic principles. You can't open the minds of those who are determined to be fools.
     
  4. monstamaine

    monstamaine Registered User

    2
    0
    0
    As a mason period...u should always practice caution. Therefore if there were to be such occasion i personally would simply allow the event to continue allowing all persons to do/say what they please. Its direct opinion if the speaker hasnt traveled the roads we travel..leaving nothing to defend or confirm.....u seem to be comfortable with masonry...they dont seem to be as comfortable, not your problem.

    Sent from my EVO using Freemason Connect HD mobile app
     
  5. bezobrazan

    bezobrazan Registered User

    123
    30
    28
    I wouldn't let it concern or bother me. I deal with a lot of anti-masonic people and I just let them babble on. As someone already stated, they don't walk the same road we do. It takes courage and an open to be a mason.


    Freemason Connect HD
     
  6. Lowcarbjc

    Lowcarbjc Registered User

    167
    31
    28
    Thank you for the answers, I can see why it's best to do exactly that :)


    Freemason Connect HD
     
  7. jwhoff

    jwhoff Premium Member

    2,591
    143
    83
    Good advice brethren. You are well schooled and well traveled masons. Needless to say, I am much prouder to be associated with you than with those who slander masonry, or any group, without knowing the facts. I do caution that we all remember this. Don't be caught among those who criticize without knowledge. Or, for that matter, criticize at all.
     
  8. dmurawsky

    dmurawsky Premium Member

    83
    45
    38
    Why would you not discuss why they feel/think that way? I'll admit I am very new to all of this, however I do not like to walk away from a learning opportunity. If a person dislikes my chosen path and is vocal about it, why would I not engage them in civil discussion? Clearly one could not do that if it were a preacher giving a sermon, but you certainly could at a more casual social function. I don't mean that I would push my ideals on them, but that I would question why they felt that way, and why they felt so strongly about it as to be vocal. It would give me the chance to learn more about the person, their thoughts & ideas, and it would give them food for thought which could lead them to re-evaluate their conclusions over time. I've been in this situation with other aspects of my life, and have had a lot of luck with this approach.
     
  9. Lowcarbjc

    Lowcarbjc Registered User

    167
    31
    28
    The one thing I realized through this discussion is that masonry is not so religion or diet or something where you can "loose a soul" or "cause someone health problems" if you do not share the truth. Maybe that's exactly why it's a 2B1ASK1 thing and not some recruit-life-mission. What I'm trying to say is, maybe it's not a masons "job" to convince people - that's just my opinion on my own question so far :)


    Freemason Connect HD
     
  10. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

    2,106
    2,092
    133
    I'd kindly and gently get up and leave. I have better things to do than to be wasting my time with naïve, ignore-ant and attacking spirits, especially if they are supposed spiritual leaders.

    Furthermore, I shan't have my relationships with others hold me hostage to a hostile environment. It is contrary to my Foundation as a man and Mason.

    F&S,

    Coach N
     
  11. jvarnell

    jvarnell Premium Member

    754
    26
    48
    I personally go to the speaker / pastor / teacher that gave lession and inform them I am a Mason and that I was disappointed in the miss-information they were teaching. I then go through one thing at a time and help them understand why it is wrong. Most of the time they understand how they were wrong.
     
  12. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

    3,232
    2,048
    183
    The Charge of the Entered Apprentice covers this. It is fine to engage in a healthy discussion, but in the scenario given, it's likely that nothing you say will change the mind of the speaker.
     
  13. Brother_Steve

    Brother_Steve Premium Member

    893
    484
    83
    this.

    My only concern is family quarrels.

    You can walk away from ignorant strangers but close friends and family is a different story. The best I can suggest for friends and family with questions is masonicinfo.com.

    Ask them to read it and then pick up the conversation at a later date.
     
  14. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

    3,935
    2,393
    133
    Sing a paraphrase of an old song and march as you sing.

    These boots are made for walking, and my wallet too. Right now my boots and wallet walk away from you. Come on boots, start walking.

    These folks preach against orders that teach morality and that says all I need to know about them.
     
  15. JTM

    JTM "Just in case" Premium Member

    2,353
    26
    38
    In that situation, you cannot fix ignorance. Know that if a congregation is sufficiently large enough (more than 50), there are other brothers there, especially in older congregations.

    Walk the other way. You cannot fix ignorance. They will, in their own time, learn we are not a threat to them or their religion... or they won't. Either way, it's not your concern at that time.

    Freemason Connect HD
     
  16. FlBrother324

    FlBrother324 Registered User

    115
    4
    18
    I have on occasion had people address fears of Masonry to me while we were doing District Child ID events.

    My first question to them is: Have you ever heard of Shriner's Hospitals? Most every time the answer is.yes.

    Then I ask them if they think those facilities are evil or good? Without exception, they respond they do great things for kids.
    I then inform them that they are Masonic Hospitals funded by Masons / Shriners. Most don't know they are Masonic.

    I will ask them if they know any Shriners personally? Usually the answer is yes, their relative, neighbor, or friend is one.

    I then follow up with what kind of person are they? Their overwhelming response has always been very positive as well; saying how they notice how much they do to raise money for the Hospitals, and of course those big men in those little cars with the funny hats at parades. Generally they associate these Brothers as good people doing a lot for the Hospitals and the communities.

    With that being done, I then inform them that in order to be a Shriner, those men must first become Masons, and that ALL Shriners are Masons! At this point I see the walls come down and their attitudes usually change for the positive.

    This has done two major things for these people, and Masonry.

    1). They now realize Masonry is associated with a specific thing they can relate to in a positive manor (REAL WORLD, NOT INTERNET).

    2). I have just educated them ( in a non argumentative, non threatening manor) that they might not want to make uneducated assumptions about Masons without knowing a few facts.

    I am very careful not to get into a debate scenario with them, I just give them something positive to think about. While sharing some knowledge with them that is non- offensive to their prejudices of Masonry.

    Not to mention why and who we do the Child ID Events for; to help them protect their children with the ID DVD and more educational material in the flyers/forms they can look over about the Masonic Child ID Program and how to protect the most precious thing in their lives, the children.

    By the end of the exchange we've turned their frowns upside - down, and they will thank us for what we are doing for them and the kids.

    We have even had some of the men ( fathers ) ask us how they can join the Masons, at which point we will direct them to the closest Lodge, with all the contact information and if they want we will even call the Worshipful Master to start the process. Some have followed through and become Brother Masons.

    Before they leave I suggest they check out the website famousmasons.com to see how many great men have been Masons and the positive effect they had on mankind in general.

    We can't be afraid to educate those who are ignorant, but we need to be careful not to antagonize them while doing it. You sew the seeds, and with some watering and TLC the plant will begin to grow, but alas, if we don't sew the seeds, we will never get the fields to grow and blossom.

    Knowledge, when shared with the ignorant can sometimes
    Help them to find a path to the "Light" switch.

    The same process works with personal friends and family, especially family. I was able to use the facts about my grandfather, and great uncles all being Masons and Shriners. You will find most people know someone or someone's dad that is a Shriner or Mason.

    I hope this helps you Brother.

    Yours, in His service.

    God Bless
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2013
  17. Pscyclepath

    Pscyclepath Premium Member

    335
    222
    63
    Alternative 1: Silence and Circumspection. If confronted, I'll ask the classic question, "Are you a Msaon?" If the answer is "No", then my reply is, "Then how do you know?";-)
     
  18. JJones

    JJones Moderator Staff Member

    1,146
    622
    113
    I quietly leave when it's appropriate and don't return.

    I'm reminded of a quote I read elsewhere "Arguing with a fool only proves that there are two."
     
  19. jwhoff

    jwhoff Premium Member

    2,591
    143
    83
    I must to agree with Coachn on this one. But further, as he would gladly tell you, we are instructed to let it pass by much wiser men than myself. What we don't want to happen is for such a conversation to get out of control. Remember, it takes TWO level heads to hold a sensible conversation. At least I've picked up on that much. Too often, two level heads are hard to find when it comes to discussing religion, politics, or "mysterious" organizations.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2013
  20. jwhoff

    jwhoff Premium Member

    2,591
    143
    83
    WOW! Looks AND a great voice! WOW!
     

Share My Freemasonry